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    Union?

    I am only 16 years old, so i still have lots of time to think about it but I was wondering which is better Union or not. I went to a job fair today and all of the trades represented were Union, this got me to thinking, is the Union better then doing it alone? If not why wouldnt they have any independent hvac and plumbing companys at this job fair. I also realise that the training is included with the union, but if I dont want to join are there other ways to get discounted and or free training to get licensed? Thank you.

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    Do a search.

    There are a TON of topics on this already.
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    That depends.

    If you are in an area with a lot of union work, it may be a good move for you. If you are someone who wants to work for himself eventually, maybe non-union would provide better preparation for that path.

    Being an apprentice at a young age is a good way to get a great start on a trade, while mom and dad are still providing for you. Once you are grown and out of the house, that is a much more difficult route.
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    Go to college, or join the circus. This trade will only provide back aches & head aches. Join the military, you can serve your country and bring home VD from interesting foreign lands.

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    Google Associated Builders and Contractors and the state you live in. Where I am they are the non-union guys. And yes schooling is paid for by the employer for apprentices.
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    I'm not sure about your area. My understanding is that the union is much stronger there. I live in a "right to work" state. Non-union is the norm. I went to tech school and then entered the apprenticeship. I started working for my employer during my 1st year of the program and have been here 16yrs. I have only worked for one non-union contractor briefly while waiting for a union gig, and that company built low income apartments and it was not a good experience. High turn over, very low pay, never overtime, and don't dare ask for a raise or your out. I know there are non-union companies that treat there people well; I know of a couple locally. However, the union has been great for me. There is no way I would be where I'm at in my carreer without it. Best decission I ever made.

    You can talk to your local about the wages, bennies, jobs, training, etc. One thing they never tell you is that when you begin the program there will be only some guys with jobs. Overtime all will begin to work for good companies. After five years, these guys are almost like brothers, plus the guys on the years before and behind you. Not knowing it, you have built one of the greatest networks in the business community. If I get fired tomorrow, I can make a couple of phone calls to my brothers and I'll a job before dinner is done. As this also means your a good guy, good worker, and humble. If your not, you'll where out your welcome and noone will help you.

    I also got in the trade young. Many wait until they fail at what they thought they wanted to do in life. Of the guys that work for me, all but one is older than I am. The one guys that's not has been here a year longer than me and is the field supervisor and all the others work for him.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobobrando View Post
    I am only 16 years old, so i still have lots of time to think about it but I was wondering which is better Union or not. I went to a job fair today and all of the trades represented were Union, this got me to thinking, is the Union better then doing it alone? If not why wouldnt they have any independent hvac and plumbing companys at this job fair. I also realise that the training is included with the union, but if I dont want to join are there other ways to get discounted and or free training to get licensed? Thank you.
    If you are a lazy slacker a Union would be great, if you are a hard worker, not so great.

    Once you get licensed are you going to open your own business or continue working for someone else?

    If you own your business you probably won't like the union much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lash View Post
    Do a search.

    There are a TON of topics on this already.
    yea, theirs probably at least 100,000 posts on this topic..

    Its definetly a

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwalley View Post
    If you own your business you probably won't like the union much.
    We've had 3 contractors in the Milwaukee area join this last month alone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lash View Post
    We've had 3 contractors in the Milwaukee area join this last month alone.


    Ignorance is bliss.....
    Ask Eastern Airline employees how the Union helped them.

    How well is the UAW working out for GM, Chrysler and Ford?

    What benefit does a contractor have by joining a union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwalley View Post
    Ask Eastern Airline employees how the Union helped them.

    How well is the UAW working out for GM, Chrysler and Ford?

    What benefit does a contractor have by joining a union?
    It seems like the only argument that you have to offer is to bring up irrelevant unions. We are talking trade/craft unions... not industrial unions.

    Would you like the names and numbers of the contractors that joined and maybe you can call them and ask yourself? PM me and let me know.


    Either way... I'm not going to start this here and poop up this kids thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobobrando View Post
    I am only 16 years old, so i still have lots of time to think about it but I was wondering which is better Union or not. I went to a job fair today and all of the trades represented were Union, this got me to thinking, is the Union better then doing it alone? If not why wouldnt they have any independent hvac and plumbing companys at this job fair. I also realise that the training is included with the union, but if I dont want to join are there other ways to get discounted and or free training to get licensed? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bm4branes View Post
    Go to college, or join the circus. This trade will only provide back aches & head aches. Join the military, you can serve your country and bring home VD from interesting foreign lands.
    Thanks for the positive message.

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