Chinese dumping units?

[KeyResults]

Sure seeing a lot of no-name white box "specials" from China these days...a lot of this stuff is real junk...wrong fittings, cheesy controls, iffy at best. And not a lick of English inside either. Owner's papers look like photocopied faxes or something...pitiful.

Anybody keepin' track of all this stuff coming into the US? Who's selling this garbage?


I'm eager for business, but I'm scared to touch some of this junk -- as if anyone can afford rework these days.

K

[Kev-Bo]

I do alot of work in Mid North Indiana, and havent seen anything like your talking about. Where are you finding these units?

[yellowirenut]

more Chinese parts to come...
there is a Parker plant in my city..neighbor is part of cleaning crew. She was telling me they are working OT to make valves for Trane because they are soon to transfer the factory to china and Mexico..she was telling me there was people from both in there getting trained. They are stock piling valves because...THEY ARE UNSURE THE QUALITY THEY WILL GET FROM CHINA

[Airstar Solutions]

If you want the latest and so-called greatest NEW China Product, take a look at the Trane XB300...wow, its a downgrade from the old Cumberland units nobody would buy. Micro Channel Coils are a dead giveaway...their target audience...Apartment Complexes (direct), HD Supply and others. Wow, nice job Ingersoll.

[ISOTHERMAL]

Sure seeing a lot of no-name white box "specials" from China these days...a lot of this stuff is real junk...wrong fittings, cheesy controls, iffy at best. And not a lick of English inside either. Owner's papers look like photocopied faxes or something...pitiful.

Anybody keepin' track of all this stuff coming into the US? Who's selling this garbage?


I'm eager for business, but I'm scared to touch some of this junk -- as if anyone can afford rework these days.

K

LOL, what about the Data tags ****Note the spelling of Fedders on the Data tag****

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=315652

[BaldLoonie]

IR knows that American homeowners are cheap. So to compete with Carrier's Payne and other bottom of the line stuff, they had to have a similar product. In the past, Trane ignored that part of the market but no more.

[man from trane]

In Guangdong China there must be a plant that makes mini splits for 20 different companies, just different badges. I've installed and serviced them for the past 2 years. They actually hold up pretty well. I've only had one bad cond fan motor and a couple cond fan caps go bad. They use plastic capacitors- junk, but you know how cheap it is to replace one. I've never had a bad compressor yet! It's fascinating how good the Chinese stuff is becoming compared to a few years ago. True, the paperwork is Engrish and I don't even try to read it. If you need directions to install a mini split...

What about the micro channel condenser? York tells me it's great for salt air climates such as mine.

[Airstar Solutions]

IR knows that American homeowners are cheap. So to compete with Carrier's Payne and other bottom of the line stuff, they had to have a similar product. In the past, Trane ignored that part of the market but no more.

Excellent concept, thank you for the reply, though it contradicts everything Trane is...what a disappointment...its a shame they didn't lead the pack and take the inverter technology out of the mini split manufacturer's to exceed the limitations of their 20 SEER.

Bring back the variable speed TTS!

[man from trane]

Excellent concept, thank you for the reply, though it contradicts everything Trane is...what a disappointment...its a shame they didn't lead the pack and take the inverter technology out of the mini split manufacturer's to exceed the limitations of their 20 SEER.

Bring back the variable speed TTS!

I don't think an inverter will get them over 20 SEER; they need to get rid of the ducts to do that. Ductless is the way of the future. The technology is there to go ductless on modern homes and still keep them beautiful. I think the price and lack of information are the only things holding them back.

[pstu]

Don't count things out just because they come from China. The craftsmanship there is capable of being very good, it just usually is not. My dad acquired some aircraft instruments from China and he was very complimentary as to the value and quality, in his example they even included a hand written chart documenting the calibration of the instrument. Like other countries used to do with quality instruments, but omit these days.

Think about the phrase "Made in Japan" and what that used to mean. It is possible China might do the same transformation given enough time. But yes for today, we are right to say "show me" when it comes to quality.

Best wishes -- Pstu

[btuhack]

Don't count things out just because they come from China. The craftsmanship there is capable of being very good, it just usually is not. My dad acquired some aircraft instruments from China and he was very complimentary as to the value and quality, in his example they even included a hand written chart documenting the calibration of the instrument. Like other countries used to do with quality instruments, but omit these days.

Think about the phrase "Made in Japan" and what that used to mean. It is possible China might do the same transformation given enough time. But yes for today, we are right to say "show me" when it comes to quality.

Best wishes -- Pstu

When I think of aircraft instruments, the word "value" does not creep into my mind. I hope your father put those instruments in his own plane and not someone else's.

[pstu]

When I think of aircraft instruments, the word "value" does not creep into my mind. I hope your father put those instruments in his own plane and someone else's.

It was his, and he was accustomed to flying aircraft formally classified as "Experimental".

[Airstar Solutions]

Don't count things out just because they come from China. The craftsmanship there is capable of being very good, it just usually is not. My dad acquired some aircraft instruments from China and he was very complimentary as to the value and quality, in his example they even included a hand written chart documenting the calibration of the instrument. Like other countries used to do with quality instruments, but omit these days.

Think about the phrase "Made in Japan" and what that used to mean. It is possible China might do the same transformation given enough time. But yes for today, we are right to say "show me" when it comes to quality.

Best wishes -- Pstu

Did Japan ever have a drywall issue, forcing every manufacture to warranty coils unnecessarily due to premature failure? Forcing some manufacturers (Trane & AmStd) to put out a Confidential Service Bulletin due to the drywall/corrosion issue?