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  1. #40
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    381 - What did you use for an operator interface on your flat LNS architecture? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatrixTransform View Post
    If you want Lon ...or pretty much any other protocol... pay yer Tridium fees then buy a JACE and add it...maybe a JACE with lon costs $2k
    ...program it COMPLETELY with Firefox or IE
    ...Manage your lon net COMPLETELY with Firefox or IE
    ...deploy them at will
    ...what upgrade??
    ...what license?
    ...I could even teach you how to do it too.
    :-)
    So you can buy a jace. Power it up, open firefox and then connect and program everything from there on out? So you are saying workbench is not required ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrooloose View Post
    ... So you are saying workbench is not required ever?

    SIGH!
    1 + 1 = 3 ( *** for very large values of 1)

    ...everybody wants a box of chocolates and long stemmed rose

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    381 - What did you use for an operator interface on your flat LNS architecture? Just curious.
    Loytec LWEB and also Circon VIsual Integrator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 381engineer View Post
    Loytec LWEB and also Circon VIsual Integrator.
    ...all right my turn to bite.
    ...i thought they made routers and gateways and network analyzers

    Tell me all about Loytec and it's relative advantages or Tridium
    1 + 1 = 3 ( *** for very large values of 1)

    ...everybody wants a box of chocolates and long stemmed rose

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    Tell me all about Loytec and it's relative advantages or Tridium
    I can not speak of advantages of one over the other as I have never touched a Jace but I will share why I chose Loytec.

    The biggest thing for me was cost and availability.

    I could buy direct from manufacturer or through a distributor
    Free software
    Free Upgrades
    Great Support
    Multiple protocols (have not tried)
    Capacity. 2000 OPC tags (More on the LINX120/121)

    Like anything else it takes a bit of getting used too but I got plenty of help from sysint, and the guys in Austria.
    They listened to my input and who knows, may even have implemented some of my suggestions.
    I've just recently started to understand how to use the device on an enterprise application and I don't believe there is a limit on how many devices you could apply.


    I have had very little issues getting there products online and communicating. Believe me if anyone could brick a device it would be me and so far I've not managed to trash anything.

    They are constantly working to improve things and upgrades are integrated flawlessly.

    Something that I found handy for me was being able to work from any PC by downloading the free configurators and emailing myself the config files.
    That has come in very handy lately.

    My next project is a DALI lighting project using the L-DALI and half a dozen other manufacturers products. Tridium does have a very nice DALI solution but again I can't get my hands on it.

    Loytec does a great job of making technology available to anyone, I'm not saying others don't but I was not able to find them.

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    Loytec has free software, free upgrades, no licensing, simultaneous multi open protocol communication and a no single point of failure interface web server design.

    Also, the individual controllers with io have download with no reboot and cycle times to 10 ms supporting 320 physical io..... Anyway, that's for starters. Of course there's more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatrixTransform View Post
    SIGH!
    Well? You said you dont need licenses and everything can be done from IE/Firefox. So i am wondering why i have my workbench installed.

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    IEC based cloud control is on the way..... IEC 61499 if I remember correctly.

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    OK, so maybe there's two then ...Im definitely liking the Loytec big time.

    I know one of the agents here in another state (they do Distech too) and am going to look into it more.
    1 + 1 = 3 ( *** for very large values of 1)

    ...everybody wants a box of chocolates and long stemmed rose

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrooloose View Post
    Well? You said you dont need licenses and everything can be done from IE/Firefox. So i am wondering why i have my workbench installed.
    Screwloose, arent you inside Trane...is the Trane camp really trying to do Tridium ... or are they still trying to hang in with Tracer ?

    ... do try to get into the spirit of things rather than just follow me around the forum to nitpick my posts.

    Yeah Workbench... you need it to commission a device if it isnt already, to update a revision, change an IP address...and few other things. But, that wasnt my point was it??? If youre buying a JACE then you already have workbench right?

    Besides, in making a comparison to Loytec, it seems one buys a license from them depending on how many devices in a network....the point is that there is ALWAYS some sort of fee, license, purchase, entry requirement. doenst matter if its Loytec, iLon, or Tridium does it?

    The big question is...WHAT DO YOU GET FOR YOUR MONEY?
    Screwed over ... or not?
    1 + 1 = 3 ( *** for very large values of 1)

    ...everybody wants a box of chocolates and long stemmed rose

  12. #51
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    I read everything in the control section, so dont flatter yourself too much that i'm following you around.

    I have been doing tridium for couple years now. I like it a lot better than Tracer Summit. I just enjoy playing the devils advocate with someone as gung-ho about something as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrooloose View Post
    dont flatter yourself too much that i'm following you around.... I just enjoy playing the devils advocate with someone as gung-ho about something as you.
    Devils advocate...LOL ...takes one to know one.
    1 + 1 = 3 ( *** for very large values of 1)

    ...everybody wants a box of chocolates and long stemmed rose

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