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    when your facing God you're rightous and doing good. Whenever you're not facing God, your facing the "devil". It's not a single thing. It's a god who is not God. You cannot cheat on your spouse while facing God, you have to turn away, and face in another direction, when you do that you serve the "devil", again the devil is not a being, he can't make you cheat on your spouse, he can't tempt you. The devil is simply a parable for the god you serve when you are not serving God. Anyway that's how I see it and this will not make sense to someone who has never felt a dedication to facing towards God. I think the strongest I ever felt my connection to God was when I turned away from him and started walking towards infedility. I never got there mind you, just started thinking too serioulsy about it once, the feeling of having let someone down was truly amazing and one of those times when you really feel God and feel a connection.

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    So the devil is you, me, all of us in that moment when we stray from the righteous path? Not sure I buy that. There are just way too many examples of Balance in this creation. If there is an actual intelligence we call God, then it follows that the devil also exists. So for me, the question stands... Who is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdblack View Post
    Do you always resort to personal attacks when you don't have a good answer.

    Was meant to be humorous - sorry if I offended you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootlen View Post
    Well, then, let's put it ALL on the table. Is Jesus God? Do you worship Him as the One True and Living God?
    Who does Jesus worship as "the One True and Living God"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by md master View Post
    Who does Jesus worship as "the One True and Living God"?
    I read over and over again in the Bible it was his father, not the other Jesus either.
    Unless God talks to himself alot,,,ok wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,im just wondering what i will be labeled this time,,,,maybe im amish and i dictate my thoughts to my heathen secretary.
    You sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can2man View Post
    Was meant to be humorous - sorry if I offended you.
    Mine was joking as well - hence the couch hide. If I would have been offended I wouldn't have put in a one liner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engineerdave View Post
    So the devil is you, me, all of us in that moment when we stray from the righteous path? Not sure I buy that. There are just way too many examples of Balance in this creation. If there is an actual intelligence we call God, then it follows that the devil also exists. So for me, the question stands... Who is it?
    Who the devil is was named early on in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder
    Satan was a powerful, favored angel. He was the musician, and was also called the Angel of Light. His name was Lucifer.
    You are not the devil, I'm at not the devil, and none of us here are the devil. When we stray from the righteous path we are merely sinners.

    God exists as well as the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by md master View Post
    Who does Jesus worship as "the One True and Living God"?
    False premise.

    Jesus separated himself from the Father and Holy spirit to walk among us in human form. While here, he prayed to demonstrate to us how WE should pray. He does not "worship" the Father.
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    God is a metaphor for what man is incapable, too ignorant, or not ready to understand.
    What was God or the Devil in the past has become science in the present and will continue to do so until it is history chalked up in a lesson of ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by engineerdave View Post
    So the devil is you, me, all of us in that moment when we stray from the righteous path? Not sure I buy that. There are just way too many examples of Balance in this creation. If there is an actual intelligence we call God, then it follows that the devil also exists. So for me, the question stands... Who is it?
    If you believe like I do that we are created in the image of God and given the gift of free will and the ability to create, we are in fact a powerful force. We can create many things and we have, medicine etc. We can do great things out of charity, we can answer prayers and deliver heaven to people right here on earth. Someone can jump on a hand grenade to save his buddies and lose his own life. We can also do terrible things, child molesters, thieves, liars, we can deliver people into hell right here on earth.

    The vast majority of the bible explains that we can choose to follow God or we can choose to die, it is not a choice between following God or following the devil. There are biblical stories such as if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off, for you are better off living without a hand than losing your whole life. There are very few if any about how the devil causes you to do anything. I believe we are in training here on how to love God. We are given the ability to walk away if we choose, but to love God means to give up some wordly things, to perservere through hardships. If you throw the devil into the mix then it is not about our choosing to love God, it's about our overcoming this other spiritual being, our failure to love God could be blamed on something/someone else, this is just totally incosistent with the bigger picture message of the bible.

    I know many people believe there is a devil, some even believe everything is preordained, that everything that happens is God's plan. I don't believe either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engineerdave View Post
    So the devil is you, me, all of us in that moment when we stray from the righteous path? Not sure I buy that. There are just way too many examples of Balance in this creation. If there is an actual intelligence we call God, then it follows that the devil also exists. So for me, the question stands... Who is it?
    When someone uses "so," it indicates that he has attempted to understand something based on the previous assertions of a discussion.

    I can find no previous assertions that support the idea that the devil is you or me.

    If you can, please reply here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pneuma View Post
    when your facing God you're rightous and doing good. Whenever you're not facing God, your facing the "devil". It's not a single thing. It's a god who is not God. You cannot cheat on your spouse while facing God, you have to turn away, and face in another direction, when you do that you serve the "devil", again the devil is not a being, he can't make you cheat on your spouse, he can't tempt you. The devil is simply a parable for the god you serve when you are not serving God. Anyway that's how I see it and this will not make sense to someone who has never felt a dedication to facing towards God. I think the strongest I ever felt my connection to God was when I turned away from him and started walking towards infedility. I never got there mind you, just started thinking too serioulsy about it once, the feeling of having let someone down was truly amazing and one of those times when you really feel God and feel a connection.
    Sorry. The devil (Lucifer) certainly IS a being, and his purpose is to mislead man. He does this by helping us to think that we should follow our heart and not God's leadership.

    Lucifer appears reasonable and logical, and draws on human wisdom because it is often counter to God's wisdom.

    If you follow the lead of Lucifer, you will suffer the second, spiritual death. If you follow God, by accepting Christ as personal savior, you are spared from the second death, and can have eternal life.

    It is a choice you are being offered.
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    Lies...its all lies!
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