NATE.....yes or no...just vote.....that's all.....2 questions..

[Roscoe]

#1 no

#2 yes [ for contractors, manufactures and the people who run Nate]

I'm Nate Certified and have my
C.M from RSES

RSES has had the C.M.[Certificate Member]
CMS [Certificate Member Specialist]
and NTC [ National Tech Cert] for years, personally I think they carry more weight.








[Edited by pjs on 03-25-2004 at 07:21 PM]

[sfry]

no-enless there is a hands on field portion of the test(we work on equipment, 3 dementional, not a one dementional peice of paper)
yes(nate themselves, and people wasting money advertising it)
no, taking it this spring

yes i would like a ufo ride as long as there is no probing or disecting of me

[appltech1]

no/notta/get out of here! I dont think we need more control guidelines. Enforse the ones we have. Try that.

[condenseddave]

Originally posted by Reak
Is it fair to say that the people who have taken the test support it and approve it and the people who have not taken the test do not like it?

Thanks
REAK

No, I don't really think that is a fair statement. I'm certain that there are varying opinions from both groups. It's not really about "liking" it or not.

I would think that MOST who have taken and passed it approve of it, but I'm certain that there are some that found it disappointing in some fashion.

I'm also certain, beyond a shadow of a doubt, in fact, that there are many who have not taken the test(s), but look forward to taking them.

I, and many many others in this industry do not fall into either category.

That is the fairest assumption that I feel we can work with on this subject.

[hvac/r-ia]

I don't much go for the nate test or the cm, cms testing other then for rookies and new guys breaking into the business, it gives them their first real badge of a higher level if you will.

HOWEVER if you would like to really take a challanging test go take the Block test from the early 80's and -90's for your masters, but now you can still take your jounerymans through them (if you have enough hours in the field/verified) and they offer a test that tells you that just perhaps you might know something if you pass... should it be required...absolutley not should it be desired absolutley so.....by the way its called Experior now.

[Edited by hvac/r-ia on 03-25-2004 at 09:19 PM]

[condenseddave]

Originally posted by hvac/r-ia
I don't much go for the nate test or the cm, cms testing other then for rookies and new guys breaking into the business, it gives them their first real badge of a higher level if you will.

HOWEVER if you would like to really take a challanging test go take the Block test from the early 80's and -90's for your masters, but now you can still take your jounerymans through them (if you have enough hours in the field/verified) and they offer a test that tells you that just perhaps you might know something if you pass... should it be required...absolutley not should it be desired absolutley so.....by the way its called Experior now.

[Edited by hvac/r-ia on 03-25-2004 at 09:19 PM]

This thread, and the "other" NATE threads have nothing at all to do with contractor licensing, or Experior testing. That type of testing has more to do with codes and business practices than it does with trade knowledge, anyway.

I don't know of any rookies at all that have successfully passed a CMS test, BTW.

[hvac/r-ia]

well codensating dave that just shows you have never taken the test and are as usal spouting propaganda without fact,,,
the test is very in depth about trade ,practice, code and pipe sizing, manual j, duct sizing, boilers, refrigeration,steam, hot water, comfort cooling, codes, welding. pipefitting, epa,umc, osha, shall i go on...

And yes my wife took the nate test and passed it..Im sorry does that bother you that a person never being in the field has passed your test?

[R12rules]

Mega-Dittos ... I agree with this.

Originally posted by koldenhott

Originally posted by Diceman
Do you think Nate should be enforced at all, somehow??

NO! The keyword is "enforced". Don't want the govt or anyone other than my employer dictating a certification.

-Is it really helping anyone other than those making money off it.

YES! The whole HVACR industry benefits by certification whether it be NATE, HVAC Excellence, or RSES CM/CMS.
The bar is raised for everyone (and yes, there are many techs without certification that can work circles around those with the patches)
Yes, the organizations (NATE, ESCO, and RSES) make money on the materials and tests. Contractors also make money
by raising their companies requirements and profits.

IMHO...

[R12rules]

Originally posted by hvac/r-ia
well codensating dave that just shows you have never taken the test and are as usal spouting propaganda without fact,,,
the test is very in depth about trade ,practice, code and pipe sizing, manual j, duct sizing, boilers, refrigeration,steam, hot water, comfort cooling, codes, welding. pipefitting, epa,umc, osha, shall i go on...

And yes my wife took the nate test and passed it..Im sorry does that bother you that a person never being in the field has passed your test?

How long you been here? Long enough to go spoutin' off about someone you dont EVEN know?

I trust your knowledge of the trade is more in depth than your responses to some of the members here...


Take it easy ....we dont bite. And the guys who do, have all had their shots.

[mccool]

1. No opinion
2. No opinion
We don't have NATE.

That NATE post sure got alot of attention though, maybe Dice put this one up to divert attention as it went to 24 pages in 14 days, even the infamous 9mm thread took 10 months to get there

[R12rules]

Originally posted by hvac/r-ia
I don't much go for the nate test or the cm, cms testing other then for rookies and new guys breaking into the business, it gives them their first real badge of a higher level if you will.
[Edited by hvac/r-ia on 03-25-2004 at 09:19 PM]

The only way a "rookie" would pass a CM CMS test is if he cheated. Or ... had been coached and posessed a photographic memory, and was openly allowed to cheat.



Say ... you never worked in Garden Grove did you ...

[R12rules]

Originally posted by lmtd


[/B]

Ditto!

I am not sure a rookie will get past the NATE test either and I consider it far easier than the RSES test. [/B][/QUOTE]

I have attended RSES meetings over the years. I have even met some guys who were CM or CMS.

I have inpsected the books for the training. I have a tremendous amount of respect for RSES and anything, everything they do.

They're a really fine group. Who the heck is Nate anyway? I never met the man.

[little joe]

YeS

Yes