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    is this a good defense?

    What does everyone on the board say about this guy in Kansas? I am split on the idea of him using the defense he wants to use, but admit that if I had to say yes or no, I would be inclined to say that it is a valid defense.

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    Murder, just like in Nazi Germany, even when State sanctioned is still murder. It does not matter if several Liberals on a court say it is legal, God says it is not.

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    If he was truely doing it for the children, then why did he flee & why isn't he willing to give up his own life for the cause of the children, since he decided that he needed to end someone elses life?????

    The guy deserves being bludgeoned to death, castrated & boiled in oil, or just being electrocuted....nothing less would be justice....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornriding View Post
    If he was truely doing it for the children, then why did he flee & why isn't he willing to give up his own life for the cause of the children, since he decided that he needed to end someone elses life?????

    The guy deserves being bludgeoned to death, castrated & boiled in oil, or just being electrocuted....nothing less would be justice....

    Richard
    I would agree with your assessment. Murder is Murder and Roeder has FREELY ADMITTED that he planned this murder.

    he should burn in hell
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    like I said, I am split on it, leaning towards let him use the defense. unfortunately, our country says the murder of children is ok, where some guy kills a protected bug or eagle and he catches a charge. the law is the law and I think it was wrong to kill another person, regardless if it is a scumbag with a medical degree, who has devoted his life to killing children. I am not saying the guy was right, or that he should get off totally. concerning burning hell...I think the "good doctor" in this case would be a prime candidate...but I am just an air conditioning puke...not up to me

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    I am clearly on record here as a pro-life, anti-abortion person. I believe that it is scientifically, biologically factual that human life begins at conception and that is a real person at conception.

    Therefore, killing unborn babies is murder and clearly immoral. That said,,,,

    The Kansas man accused of killing the doctor probably has good intentions believing he prevented the abortionist killer doctor from taking more innocent lives. I agree he did just that.

    However, he committed murder in the process of taking the doctor's life. Therefore, his is guilty of murder just as the doctor is guilty of the murder of thousands of innocent unborn children.

    No, his defense fails my more consistent pro life position. He is not the judge, jury and executioner of the abortion doctor. He committed murder for which he has no effective defense.
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    Also pro life here.

    In the big picture, I think the death or one doctor is less tragic than the death of hundreds of children.

    But...there are consequences for committing murder, even if you believe you are doing it for the right reasons and he understood what those consequences were.

    I'm not sure whether God is pleased that he was willing to sacrifice his own life to save so many unborn or if God is displeased because he took a life himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maintenanceguy View Post
    Also pro life here.

    In the big picture, I think the death or one doctor is less tragic than the death of hundreds of children.

    But...there are consequences for committing murder, even if you believe you are doing it for the right reasons and he understood what those consequences were.

    I'm not sure whether God is pleased that he was willing to sacrifice his own life to save so many unborn or if God is displeased because he took a life himself.

    if your so religious, why would god be pleased or displeased? GOD will deal with both people in the end?

    Do you believe Tiller went to hell? or did God let him in Heaven?

    Same question for Roeder, if he dies (whether by old age in jail or by lethal injection) which way will he go?

    which brings to mind, should Roeder get "the needle" wouldn't the executioner be just like Roeder?

    why would god be pleased or displeased with the executioner?
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    I agree with most on here that murder is murder, that being said, both were murderers and of course should be punished and prevented from murdering again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    if your so religious, why would god be pleased or displeased? GOD will deal with both people in the end?

    Do you believe Tiller went to hell? or did God let him in Heaven?

    Same question for Roeder, if he dies (whether by old age in jail or by lethal injection) which way will he go?

    which brings to mind, should Roeder get "the needle" wouldn't the executioner be just like Roeder?

    why would god be pleased or displeased with the executioner?
    Just remember that God sent Saul, David, Moses, Joshua,,,,, to kill the groups that He selected [for their crimes against Him]. God had severe punishment for anyone who did not carry out his commands. I don't know what his relationship was with God but I do know that you can not be a Christian and kill children for money, even if you do go to church to assuage your conscience.

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    God expects us to follow due process. This is the difference between murder and sanctioned killing. The old english translation of the Hebrew writing of the commandment is "thou shalt not murder, " which is often mis-identified as "kill" in many translations.

    Sanctioned killing is self-defense, defense of another, military and police action, and execution by the state. We have added the killing of the unborn to that list, and I believe that is an offence against God, among many offenses we have made legal.

    The shooter's position is that he was acting in defense of another, or others. That is a stretch as far as we are concerned, and we will not know if God agrees until some point in the future. I believe he was circumventing due process, and that his defense will not stand up, since evidence cannot be presented to support his claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maintenanceguy View Post
    Also pro life here.

    In the big picture, I think the death or one doctor is less tragic than the death of hundreds of children.
    But...there are consequences for committing murder, even if you believe you are doing it for the right reasons and he understood what those consequences were.
    I'm not sure whether God is pleased that he was willing to sacrifice his own life to save so many unborn or if God is displeased because he took a life himself.
    Now, there the rub.... he's not "wiiling to sacrifice his own life"....
    He is trying to save his own life by using this as an excuse... If he truely believed in what he done, then he should be WILLING to sacrifice his own life, but alas, as normal, the religious zealot falls 'just a little' short...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornriding View Post
    Now, there the rub.... he's not "wiiling to sacrifice his own life"....
    He is trying to save his own life by using this as an excuse... If he truely believed in what he done, then he should be WILLING to sacrifice his own life, but alas, as normal, the religious zealot falls 'just a little' short...

    Richard
    "Falling short" is normal for any believer...OR non-believer. The Biblical word would be "sin".
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