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    Quote Originally Posted by numbawunfela View Post
    What have you guys done to narrow down the field of prospective companies you apply with?
    Ok.

    I have had close to a lifetime of experience in diverse fields, and the type of company, product or service, is not germaine to this question.

    Here is the dynamic.

    If a company is known to always be hiring, that is the LAST company for whom you want to work.

    So, who should you be tracking?

    You should zero in on the companies that never seem to hire.

    I'm not kidding.

    The companies that never seem to hire have happy people who almost never leave, sue their employer, or have disputes that lead to hard feelings and poor productivity.

    This means that you want to start to generate friendly contacts within those companies. That means finding people who will vouch for you, recommend you, and work to get you hired, when the "time" comes.

    Until that opportunity arrives, you must be ready to eat your "ration," so to speak, unless you step in a pile of gold that day on the sidewalk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Ok.

    I have had close to a lifetime of experience in diverse fields, and the type of company, product or service, is not germaine to this question.

    Here is the dynamic.

    If a company is known to always be hiring, that is the LAST company for whom you want to work.

    So, who should you be tracking?

    You should zero in on the companies that never seem to hire.

    I'm not kidding.

    The companies that never seem to hire have happy people who almost never leave, sue their employer, or have disputes that lead to hard feelings and poor productivity.

    This means that you want to start to generate friendly contacts within those companies. That means finding people who will vouch for you, recommend you, and work to get you hired, when the "time" comes.

    Until that opportunity arrives, you must be ready to eat your "ration," so to speak, unless you step in a pile of gold that day on the sidewalk.

    Luck is defined as that place where preparation meets opportunity.
    I could not have said that better myself. The best shops in this town are very exclusive, and having friends on the inside or some kind of positive experience with them is what develops a good reputation and creates opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Ok.

    I have had close to a lifetime of experience in diverse fields, and the type of company, product or service, is not germaine to this question.

    Here is the dynamic.

    If a company is known to always be hiring, that is the LAST company for whom you want to work.

    So, who should you be tracking?

    You should zero in on the companies that never seem to hire.

    I'm not kidding.

    The companies that never seem to hire have happy people who almost never leave, sue their employer, or have disputes that lead to hard feelings and poor productivity.

    This means that you want to start to generate friendly contacts within those companies. That means finding people who will vouch for you, recommend you, and work to get you hired, when the "time" comes.

    Until that opportunity arrives, you must be ready to eat your "ration," so to speak, unless you step in a pile of gold that day on the sidewalk.

    Luck is defined as that place where preparation meets opportunity.
    SOOOO true!
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    I have been with the same company for many years now and have always wondered if the grass is greener on the other side. The company that I work for is all sales based and that is the only way that you can make more money. I on the other hand, want to be a good technician. We have guys that can sell anything to anybody at anytime, but fall short in the technical side. These guys make almost double what I make. Some of these guys have been known to do some shady stuff also. I want to be completely honest and knowledgeable, but this makes me a target for loosing my job.

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    Some very good points have been made, especially about talking to parts guys, parts house not getting paid then likely the employees aren't that far behind.

    A key point that I believe in is to talk to current employees that have no overall incentive to get you hired. Make sure you talk to guys doing your same type of work. Also if you can find ex-employees and talk to them. I know a few guys that got fired and said their ex-employer was a good place to work. Try to find out who you would be working under and talk to guys that have worked for that individual. I left a good overall company due to a bad manager. I had worked for numerous other managers in the company without an issue but couldn't get around this one manager and believe me I tried.

    Also ask equivalent employees about the reimbursement policy. Not sure where you are or company policies but many times I need something and vs driving .5 hr one way to go to a place where we have an account I can pick up what I need a lot closer. I had one company that didn't pay me for almost two months. It wasn't a lot of money but the principle. Had another that scrutinizes everything you buy, even if you write on your receipt what it was for. I understand checks and balances but come on, some screws and a bit for less than $10 that the company just going to pass on to the customer? Or here's another stupid managerial mistake, I turn in 2 receipts for some electronic equipment needed and one of the receipts is the rebate receipt, in which I am 'crediting' the company money and yet I am asked about $10? I could've pocketed the $50 in rebates and they would've never known.

    The other thing is find out whatever you can about the owner(s) and major managers. Reason is if the overall feel is not good then you will likely do yourself a big favor of not working there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osufan76 View Post
    I have been with the same company for many years now and have always wondered if the grass is greener on the other side. The company that I work for is all sales based and that is the only way that you can make more money. I on the other hand, want to be a good technician. We have guys that can sell anything to anybody at anytime, but fall short in the technical side. These guys make almost double what I make. Some of these guys have been known to do some shady stuff also. I want to be completely honest and knowledgeable, but this makes me a target for loosing my job.
    That, my friend, is why I am doing commercial.
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    Thanks a lot for the posts guys.

    It seems having a mole on the inside is a good strategy. Timebuilder - it is a really good point about getting in with a company that does not ever hire - there is a contractor of the year award that was given to AAA refrigeration here in the Bronx. They said in their interview that they never have an open 'help wanted' period - they always hire referrals from techs, and they keep techs that move away by setting up satellite offices where they go and then finding new customers in those areas - WOW!!

    But you gotta know somebody.....Good thing I am Friendly!!

    That is a really good point about knowing the environment of the company Crabmaster - you need to talk to a guy in the crew for that. There are honesty issues at my company now. What a mess!!

    Thanks for the tips guys.
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    Depends on what your goals are. Mine are to learn as much as I can and move up in the world through my knowlege. So most important is a company willing to work with me and compensate/reward me for my achievements right now.

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    talk to some techs, if they've been at the same company for over 2 years, it's a good company

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    I wouldn't say that just because a company has alot of techs that have been there for years doesn't indicate they are a good company. One that I worked at a few years ago had several techs that were there for over 15-20 years. That took alot of pride in that, and the fact that they weren't paying them much. These guys were snowballed into believing that the couldn't go anywhere else or ever make much more. To me that has to say more to thier integrity than anything else. They are in the buisness to make money, yes, but their service techs are the face of the company. So they aren't a comodity to be bargained with. A good tech should compensated for thier knowledge.

    Just my 2cents. I know I'm just a service tech, not the owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgraefe View Post
    I wouldn't say that just because a company has alot of techs that have been there for years doesn't indicate they are a good company. One that I worked at a few years ago had several techs that were there for over 15-20 years. That took alot of pride in that, and the fact that they weren't paying them much. These guys were snowballed into believing that the couldn't go anywhere else or ever make much more. To me that has to say more to thier integrity than anything else. They are in the buisness to make money, yes, but their service techs are the face of the company. So they aren't a comodity to be bargained with. A good tech should compensated for thier knowledge.

    Just my 2cents. I know I'm just a service tech, not the owner.
    there's a lot of that at the company i just started with. sadly the old guys that have been there years are making about the same wage that i was started at!

    i really don't get it. will someone please tell me the benefits of staying at one company that long? is it the new van, better calls, or implied job security?? or maybe you're just afraid of being the 'new guy' again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by michigan1 View Post
    there's a lot of that at the company i just started with. sadly the old guys that have been there years are making about the same wage that i was started at!

    i really don't get it. will someone please tell me the benefits of staying at one company that long? is it the new van, better calls, or implied job security?? or maybe you're just afraid of being the 'new guy' again?

    Alot of that has to do with human nature. Alot of people are only happy in their comfort zone and don't like change or taking risks for that matter. A new job can be a very intimidating thing. Especially for someone who isn"t all that confident in their own skillset. I love change just ask my wife I have owned more than double the amount of vehicles as I have years of driving. Never made money on even one either. Haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by michigan1 View Post
    there's a lot of that at the company i just started with. sadly the old guys that have been there years are making about the same wage that i was started at!

    i really don't get it. will someone please tell me the benefits of staying at one company that long? is it the new van, better calls, or implied job security?? or maybe you're just afraid of being the 'new guy' again?

    Ya, those guys were never very gung-ho to push for a raise. I was making as much as them, and I think they knew it based on their comments. They would just comment on being lucky to have their job. Why do people loss thier confidence?

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