410A in refrigeration

[air2spare]

will we ever see 410a used in refrigeration applications or is there some reason why it cant be used in refrigeration applications?

[zibby]

Mid temp - probably. Don't reason why not

[Hvac Professor]

Probably some day. Maybe because pressures are higher.

[Octopus]

Look here

http://www51.honeywell.com/sm/genetr...m-refrige.html

[fruecrue]

I believe that 410A may be shortlived, just happened to fit the bill for the approaching phase-out of R-22 in comfort cooling applications. That being said, I believe we will see alternates such as R-407C lead the way. It will be interesting to see what happens. I think most of your major refrigeration blends will be around a while longer. Just my two cents anyways.

[Octopus]

I believe that 410A may be shortlived, just happened to fit the bill for the approaching phase-out of R-22 in comfort cooling applications. That being said, I believe we will see alternates such as R-407C lead the way. It will be interesting to see what happens. I think most of your major refrigeration blends will be around a while longer. Just my two cents anyways.

You may be correct but az-20 has been around for years just not in the U.S. as much. I remember when you could buy a jug for 15 bucks.

[chilliwilly]

Today is the last day for virgin use of CFC in the UK, is it the same for the rest of the world?

[icemeister]

Today is the last day for virgin use of CFC in the UK, is it the same for the rest of the world?

I believe you meant to say it's the last day for HCFC refrigerants, am I correct?

We in the states are far behind you folks. Technically, we still don't have any useage bans. For example, if you still have some virgin R12, you're free to use it.

Here, HCFC production is currently scheduled for 99.5% phaseout by 2015 with no use ban (that I'm aware of). All this is subject to change of course.

[chilliwilly]

Yes I think I meant HCFC, it's not often that I think in chemical terms just R numbers. So I referred to a chemical name to cover more than one gas.

I used up my last few drops of R12 the other day. So now I'll have to use the replacements for some of the older stuff that I haven't upgraded as yet. Unless I can persuade the owners to buy new.

[DavyB]

Yes I think I meant HCFC, it's not often that I think in chemical terms just R numbers. So I referred to a chemical name to cover more than one gas.

I used up my last few drops of R12 the other day. So now I'll have to use the replacements for some of the older stuff that I haven't upgraded as yet. Unless I can persuade the owners to buy new.

R12 is a CFC so you were correct in the first place. Unless, the phaseout was for hcfc refrigerants like R-22 then I am confused about how you are able to still have "liquid gold" in your truck and didn't sell it. I haven't had any R-12 on the truck since, well, since ever I think. I remember when a parts wherehouse was trying to sell a virgin jug for around a grand back in '98.

[jpsmith1cm]

R12 is a CFC so you were correct in the first place. Unless, the phaseout was for hcfc refrigerants like R-22 then I am confused about how you are able to still have "liquid gold" in your truck and didn't sell it. I haven't had any R-12 on the truck since, well, since ever I think. I remember when a parts wherehouse was trying to sell a virgin jug for around a grand back in '98.

It is still perfectly legal to use CFC refrigerants.

I actually have a jug of 502 laying around that I use infrequently. We probably have 12 at the shop, too.

[chilliwilly]

It is still perfectly legal to use CFC refrigerants.

I actually have a jug of 502 laying around that I use infrequently. We probably have 12 at the shop, too.

In the UK it's illegal to use virgin CFC, and as from today it includes R22. I had a source of R12 for some of the older equipment, but now it's exhausted. I think virgin R12 use was prohibited in the early noughties. But when you have repaired a leak on an R12 system it needs topping up.

[jpsmith1cm]

It is still perfectly legal to use CFC refrigerants in the USA..

I actually have a jug of 502 laying around that I use infrequently. We probably have 12 at the shop, too.

Edited to be more accurate and specific.

Even though I *know* that this is the World Wide Web, sometimes I think that we all forget that it actually does cover a large portion of the world outside of our respective countries.