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  1. #14
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    pls find EER over 30 for several GSHP and well GSHP, higher!
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    raw AHRI over 40 EERS in low-med (most running hours) blended "raw" data]
    and NEWS:
    Hydro-Temp got its (unnecessary) 3rd party rating.

    (see sites for several OEM's, below)

    Hydro-Zone is a tm of Hydro-Temp for the chilled water and HW off of a forced-air same-unit system that uses the rfg off the air HX coil with modulated or no blower speed--- just for Mini-like distribution to console fancoils etc... but EER's higher, and the Heat-Reclaim 100% on demand HW IS pushing COP's near 6 as in cooling mode, the loop pumps are off line. 4zn board OEM since 1995
    Process cooling: NO COMPRESSORS Earth-Coupled since 1996
    ... however, much still needs to be hybridized energy transfer.

    CLOSED LOOP 2015 listed EER's
    even 49+ now; and "blended from low to high variable speeds" for 32deg.F ~ E-Star

    Perhaps you need a 32F Chiller/HW-Heat: buy a GEO-T Heat Pump (GHP with Heat-Recovery)
    http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?...mal_heat_pumps

    http://www.hydro-temp.com/products.html and Bosch/Carrier and AquasystemsInc.com

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    I have a similiar problem, but I only have around 1500 square feet to heat. The house was built in the 1930's and there are no heating ducts. I would like to use a geothermal heat pump to heat between one to as many as four air exchange fan-coil heating units. As yet I have not been able to find such a system on the market. Is there such a system? or Could I design my own and could anybody help me with such a design?

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    if you can help me with this project please send me an e-mail to: < Please put your email address in your profile, they are nt allowed in post, thank you. >
    Last edited by beenthere; 03-24-2015 at 02:37 PM. Reason: email

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    Email address are not allowed in posts please put in your profile.
    Also don’t hijack old threads, please start a new one.

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    pecmsg:

    If you think it is relevant perhaps you can delete my post and re-post this to this old thread (I'm not a professional member but this information may be of use to members):

    I discovered LG makes a single phase water sourced up to 4.4 ton (cooling) VRF (or mini split) system: http://www.lg-vrf.com/multi-v-water-mini.aspx

    But it seems to be primarily aimed at high rise apartment buildings.

    I couldn't find any stated IEER, SEER, COP or EER data in any of the product literature but some charts I found would seem to imply it's about 22 EER (I think I used 70 degree water but I'm not sure I did the calculations right using the tables in the LG manual.)

    While "good" it does seem somewhat low for a water sourced VRV system. Especially considering LG has announced air sourced systems as high as 36 with promises of 40 in the future.

    Also I thought the stainless steel heat exchanger it has would be suitable for well water (like cupronickel) but reading the literature I see a secondary heat exchanger is recommended to isolate the loop. That's not good since a delta T will need to be maintained between the loops to get any heat transfer and of course we'd have pumping losses in two loops although one would be a closed loop. If that raised the loop to 80 degrees the EER would drop and when pumping losses are factored in the efficiency is probably still less than some air sourced VRV systems so I hope I did the calculations wrong.

    If you feel this is relevant to those searching this topic please re-post under your professional identity and if not just delete my post. Thanks

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    Please put your email address in your profile, they are not allowed in post, thank you.
    Last edited by beenthere; 03-25-2015 at 05:48 PM.
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    Need help recomending a system

    Quote Originally Posted by geoductless View Post
    if you can help me with this project please send me an e-mail to: < Please put your email address in your profile, they are nt allowed in post, thank you. >
    I am a new homeowner, not a professional in the business, and do not readily understand the jargon. I have aproximately 1200 to 1500 square feet that I need to heat and dehumidify or drive off the moisture; I live in the wetest region in the lower 48. I have no heating ducts, and do not want to use them. I would like to install a geothermal heating system housing the pump in my unfinished basement, and running two coolant lines up through the basement to two different locations along the same wall separating my kitchen and living room from the bathroom and two small bedrooms with connecting hallway between the bedrooms which are located at the two ends of the house. There is a location along that wall where a heating/cooling coil and fan could be installed on both sides of the wall which could heat the bedroom and kitchen, and there is a similiar spot west along that wall where the same type set of dual heating/cooling coils and fans could be located heating the second bedroom and the living room. I would like to be recomended a geothermal system which could be set up this way. I need to know the exact product and where and how to go about obtaining and getting it installed.

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    Is is possible to design a small space heating geothermal system without ducts?

    Quote Originally Posted by hult View Post
    Historic house is three-story, 180-years-old, solid brick interior and exterior walls with installed (some badly) ducts. Low-R envelope and resulting high energy $ has driven us toward 9-ton, closed-loop geothermal solution.

    And unusual heating and cooling loads and difficulty of installing ductwork through brick walls -- especially to second floor -- make at least partial ductless multi-split from GSHP attractive. (Hydronics alone don't solve cooling need.)

    There are plenty of split GSHPs with conventional air handlers available, but seemingly no ductless GSHP systems. Is there a commercial solution? Or would one have to be customed engineered? Seems like some progressive company would have been onto this combination by now.

    TIA ... Marc
    Is there some insurmountable obsticle preventing the design of geothermal heating
    systems which utilized cooling fins and fans piped directly to the area needing the BTU's?

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    The City system looks like the way to go.
    After spending 20 minutes writing a reply to be told I am not allowed to post a link, this system threw away my post (

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    Quote Originally Posted by uaflyer View Post
    The City system looks like the way to go.
    After spending 20 minutes writing a reply to be told I am not allowed to post a link, this system threw away my post (
    Citi Multi water sourced units are 3 phase only aren't they? Or have they come out with single phase units?

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    ductless homes with GTHP geothermal hydronic fancoils

    Hydro-Zone is a tm of Hydro-Temp for the chilled water and HW off of a forced-air same-unit system that uses the rfg off the air HX coil with modulated or no blower speed--- just for Mini-like distribution to console fancoils etc... but EER's higher, and the Heat-Reclaim 100% on demand HW IS pushing COP's near 6 as in cooling mode, the loop pumps are off line. 4zn board

    Insulated pex to a Hot and Cold fluid fancoil unit, even higher pressure air ducted like a unico/ just better has been done by contractors.

    If using UNICO system split air handlers with GTHP "condenser" sections, then up the air coils for heat pumps a ton larger than the Hydro-Temp or other splits.

    I f Daiken has their ducts in a row, then their AIR HPump ~therm-- Domestic HW has heat reclaim too whilst Cooling is giving A/C heat rejected to a bronze circulator to a water tank (just not sure of their complete achievement)...

    Hydro-Zone(tm) Hydro-Temp has NOW for about 3 years worked well with using VARIABLE compressors controlled by BACNET DDC systems , entirely residential as is institutionally used (that since 2009). Nicely "bug-free" so far.

    EER's hit 45 acclaimed: just like many now in the mid 40's; but with heat-recovery (patented 1981, why so few big name users waited to see) heat reclaimed 100% in cooling modes to HW needed puts the EER's into near 55 easily [2:for:1, usage] (even small 2.1/2 ton units run near 24/7 with this off-the-shelf a/c dehumidifyer use making even ice melt at out-door-pads at/in permeters of larger structures in the winter time).
    Last edited by GT1980; 11-05-2015 at 12:40 PM. Reason: their now
    Process cooling: NO COMPRESSORS Earth-Coupled since 1996
    ... however, much still needs to be hybridized energy transfer.

    CLOSED LOOP 2015 listed EER's
    even 49+ now; and "blended from low to high variable speeds" for 32deg.F ~ E-Star

    Perhaps you need a 32F Chiller/HW-Heat: buy a GEO-T Heat Pump (GHP with Heat-Recovery)
    http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?...mal_heat_pumps

    http://www.hydro-temp.com/products.html and Bosch/Carrier and AquasystemsInc.com

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    Just ask if the contractor has used W:W hydronics, or a HYDRO-TEMP of AR, Hydro-Zone(tm) insulated fluid tubing in small areas to a fancoil, -done this set up ever...
    Process cooling: NO COMPRESSORS Earth-Coupled since 1996
    ... however, much still needs to be hybridized energy transfer.

    CLOSED LOOP 2015 listed EER's
    even 49+ now; and "blended from low to high variable speeds" for 32deg.F ~ E-Star

    Perhaps you need a 32F Chiller/HW-Heat: buy a GEO-T Heat Pump (GHP with Heat-Recovery)
    http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?...mal_heat_pumps

    http://www.hydro-temp.com/products.html and Bosch/Carrier and AquasystemsInc.com

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