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    Quote Originally Posted by JRINJAX View Post
    By the time that 2020 gets here, China, North Korea or Iran could be manufacturing boatloads of HCFCs. There are still countries making CFCs today.
    http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/..._10042411.html
    My bad, I left out it is mandatory cuts in production and consumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRINJAX View Post
    ...China, North Korea or Iran could be manufacturing boatloads of HCFCs...
    i am more worried about the pollution that exploding nuclear weapons have on the environment from these countries than HCFC's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavyevans View Post
    I like low pressure machines and sure R-123 will be made until 2030, but with the mandatory production cuts I don't see how the price will not go through the roof.

    2010 - 75% reduction of HCFC
    2015 - 90% reduction of HCFC
    2020 - 99.5% reduction of HCFC
    2030 - 100% reduction of HCFC

    Has anybody seen any info that predicts what the prices might be?
    I know it's taboo to talk prices but 123 is already rather pricey. Of course the good thing is it doesn't tend to "magically disappear" like the high pressure stuff!
    Superheat, that must be REALLY hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayguy View Post
    i am more worried about the pollution that exploding nuclear weapons have on the environment from these countries than HCFC's.
    I agree fully. I am amazed that the tin-horn Politicians think that every rogue regime is going to march to their wishes. If they can't stop a bunch of Obama's relatives from being High Seas Pirates [They are too busy prosecuting our Navy SEALS], they certainly can't stop CFC/HCFC production by the "Rogues". Things will definitely change by then but who knows how they will change.

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    At least R-123 stays in the chiller. Well most of the time...Not to throw rocks but I've seen a lot of open drive 134A chillers blast thousands of pounds through poor shaft seals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yorktek37 View Post
    Trane is constantly putting their feet in their mouths. I remember some time back a report that trane did with refrigerant bubbles exploding and ruining gears, Or somethng like that. And what did they do, Made a chiller with gears .
    HEY ITRANE,,, Opem mouth and insert foot. Want some ketchup with that!
    Oh, but we have trained "Our" refrig bubbles to not explode, and even if they did explode, they know better than to do it anywhere near a gear.

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    One thing we all have to respet with Trane is their ability to sell thier story no matter what that story is! You don't get 75percent market share by putting your foot in your mouth. You get it by getting your customers to think like you! My bet is that Trane will have a plan and will execute it well. We don't all have to like them but we do have to respect them. They have kicked the other mfgs around for at leastthe last 20 years. I am for the mfg who takes a step back and puts the contractors and indepents first but that a new thread!
    "Dying aint much, its living thats hard." (Josey Whales)

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    Could R-245fa be the answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jemawalton View Post
    Could R-245fa be the answer?
    Very interesting...

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    I myself still love the LP Chillers whats not to like about them as for the future of R-123 who knows for sure like everything it has a life span , one thing is if it ain't leaking its ok hell there are still R-11 Chillers out there that are running fine and customers are not even considering to replace them , as for new stuff it's all good till they find something wrong with that refrigerant then it will be on there hit list to. remember it's all about the money.
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    123 even smells funny.
    bring back 11!!!!!!!!

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    Hey Heavy are you a fan of monsters inc.
    Arguing with your Boss is like wrestling with a pig in
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    After a while you realize that while you are getting
    dirty, the pig is actually enjoying it.

    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it
    creative problem solving.

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    an old show from adult swim, tripping the rift. pretty funny stuff, iffen you're warped like me.........

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