Don't listen to me , i know nothing about health care

[wolfstrike]

so here's the situation,

the government has been packing millions of illegals into the country, ...earning minimum wage is a big upgrade to them.

minimum wage earners get about $12,000 per year after taxes.

the medical industry wants to charge thousands of dollars for every visit, in some cases half or ALL of a minimum wage earner's yearly paycheck, AND they want to make sure their wages go up.

so where will the money come from?

this health care , so called , "reform" is nothing more than a law FORCING the public to chip in for expenses, bureaucracy, and inflated profits.
...under penalty of fines and jail time.

just like every other socialist program, you can't raise rates every year when everyone is happy, that means they will make sure there are unhappy workers, unhappy doctors, people scamming the system, and patients dropping dead as they wait in line.




this "health care reform" has about as much chance of being rejected, as if the lottery called you up and said they chose you at random to win a million dollars, and you turned them down because you feel the lottery is corrupt.
...it's nothing but free money for the government and the health care industry.

you think the republicans are against this?
they said they will pass this as soon as the "public option" is out of it.
the only thing they are concerned about is making sure private business runs the whole show.

no one is talking about the solutions such as price controls and/or creating true competition.

this is a perfect example of modern American politics, we have the democrats supplying the coffin and the republicans supplying the nails, and people think there is some kind of conflict.

[can2man]

Agree, not a huge difference between Democrat and Rebublican. For me, as I live in Canada, it is Liberal And Conservative parties, no real separation......But health care, I guess it is socialist but it frees up all that income that one might have spent on medical costs to be spent elsewhere. The system here isn't perfect but the wages of doctors and surgeons isn't even close to the U.S. system - they make a good living in Canada but are not even close to their U.S. counterparts. Drugs are much cheaper here - I'm not sure why that is but I think that is a true statement.

[k-fridge]

But health care, I guess it is socialist but it frees up all that income that one might have spent on medical costs to be spent elsewhere

Not really, just goes to higher taxes. All the studies we've had done on the proposed senate and house plans (politician's rhetoric not withstanding) shows that costs will be increased, so the higher taxes will probably cost us more than what we pay now.

We / you pay for it one way or another.

[mrs reb77]

Did I tell y'all that my husband's first born is now sitting, untreated, in the UK? He has some of the symptoms of H1N1 but doesn't have them ALL so no Tamiflu for him. As a matter of fact, he isn't even going to be given a dr. appointment unless he exhibits the other symptoms because he could be contagious to the other patients.

Yeah, sounds like just what we need here. I was in contact with his mother last week and she's supposed to keep us updated. He's 25 yrs old and on his own but under National Health System 'over there'.

[can2man]

Did I tell y'all that my husband's first born is now sitting, untreated, in the UK? He has some of the symptoms of H1N1 but doesn't have them ALL so no Tamiflu for him. As a matter of fact, he isn't even going to be given a dr. appointment unless he exhibits the other symptoms because he could be contagious to the other patients.

Yeah, sounds like just what we need here. I was in contact with his mother last week and she's supposed to keep us updated. He's 25 yrs old and on his own but under National Health System 'over there'.

This isn't even an argument - that's normal procedure when infectious diseases are present - why do you want to pay more than you should? So backwards.......

[hearthman]

Wolfie, the picture you painted is unfortunately too rosey. What is really about to happen is both Dem. and Repo men WILL pass some form of socialized medicine that will result in huge costs passed on to us while deadbeats get the freebies. As with the Great Society, this will drive more and more people onto the public dole which will require increased taxes. Even if they omit the public option at first, once they pass some form of health care, it is only a matter of time before they have assimilated us all. That's why they are so confident. It is an eventuality with these monsters. The whole D@mn Congress are traitors to the Constitution and should be run out of the country. Every stinking last one. Comparing Dems to Repos. is like comparing inmates in a prison---they're ALL guilty!

It saddens me to hear so many brain dead people talk of the need for this health care with no clue as to the true intent and far reaching effects. I was watching the R&R Hall of Fame Concerts last night and Bruce Springsteen made his quip about the need to get everyone health care. Most performing artists are liberals by they very nature. Yet the media and public slurp up their garbage. Then you have trash like the amazing guitarist Bruce brought on stage: Tom Morello. He is the former guitarist for Rage Against the Machine--a group that called for Bush to be tried and hung and a war criminal and openly called for the redistribution of wealth until everyone was fed, clothed, housed and had equal property without regard for their productivity. We have pure certified socialist fascists bombarding us at every turn. No wonder so much of the public has grown much minded.

A guy at my church was arguing with me about the title--not contents of Glenn Beck's book: Arguing With Idiots. He did not know one word of its contents but complained how the title was mean spirited. He bashed Glenn and Rush but could not tell me one single utterance that he disagreed with. He, too has been trained by the Left to attack the person and dodge the facts just as every single Liberal fascist has to date on this forum.

Our elected monsters will pass this bill in some form. The present form is of little consequence---it is the foot in the door or more appropriately, letting the Huns in through the city gates.

The die is cast: we are on a fast train to hell and the Leftist are driving it.

Hearthman

[mrs reb77]

This isn't even an argument - that's normal procedure when infectious diseases are present - why do you want to pay more than you should? So backwards.......

I'm really not certain what you just said.

At least here, in my hometown I can decide that I'm sick enough to see a doctor. I can pay that doctor and leave with either instructions or a prescription.
Over there they are not even allowing him to see the doctor. He's too sick to see the doctor but not 'sick enough' to get the medicine. Cause, you realize, the medicine is costly? I know several people that have already gotten tamiflu. Say it knocks the flu right out of you! But, it's not cheap and you can't get it without a dr. prescription.

[can2man]

I'm really not certain what you just said.

At least here, in my hometown I can decide that I'm sick enough to see a doctor. I can pay that doctor and leave with either instructions or a prescription.
Over there they are not even allowing him to see the doctor. He's too sick to see the doctor but not 'sick enough' to get the medicine. Cause, you realize, the medicine is costly? I know several people that have already gotten tamiflu. Say it knocks the flu right out of you! But, it's not cheap and you can't get it without a dr. prescription.

Maybe I misunderstood your post. However, here if you are suspected of having h1n1 - then you can't go to the clinic - too infectious - someone comes to your home and takes a sample to see if you have h1n1. You get treatement - just are not allowed to go into the clinic to prevent spreading...our son had the h1n1 flu - not nice....if it is really bad you have to go to emergency.......

[printer2]

I'm really not certain what you just said.

At least here, in my hometown I can decide that I'm sick enough to see a doctor. I can pay that doctor and leave with either instructions or a prescription.
Over there they are not even allowing him to see the doctor. He's too sick to see the doctor but not 'sick enough' to get the medicine. Cause, you realize, the medicine is costly? I know several people that have already gotten tamiflu. Say it knocks the flu right out of you! But, it's not cheap and you can't get it without a dr. prescription.

It is probably not about the money. If you do not take Tamiflu within 72 hours of contacting the flu it does no good. Most people who come down with the H1N1 flu are no worse off than if they had the regular flu. Take some over the counter medicine, chicken noodle soup, and sweat it off in bed.



Which brings up a good point. People running to the doctor to get a pill every time they get the sniffles. Prescribe me some antibiotics even if it will not help, it will make me feel better. The bad little bugs in the world are mutating faster than we can find drugs to combat them. But many doctors just go on prescribing the the drugs to keep people happy, if they didn't they may loose a client and they might not bring home the fat paycheck.

OK I'm done.

[jmac00]

I can fix "health care" in two minutes:

for general health care/general practitioner, PAY AS YOU GO!!! and then get a "supplemental" hospitalization insurance in case something bad happens and you need to go to a hospital.

less people going to the Doc for the sniffles, less people getting a pill for every little ache or pain.

[mrs reb77]

I can fix "health care" in two minutes:

for general health care/general practitioner, PAY AS YOU GO!!! and then get a "supplemental" hospitalization insurance in case something bad happens and you need to go to a hospital.

less people going to the Doc for the sniffles, less people getting a pill for every little ache or pain.

100% there jmac00!

The stepson is in the united kingdom, that is where he has lived the last 15-17 years as his mother moved back there (her homeland) after my husband and she divorced. He is not allowed to see the dr. because he is possibly 'contagious' but they also don't know exactly what he may have because (duh!) he can't see the dr. So, seems if you're sick (but not TOO sick) you should just 'tough it out' in the UK under the NHS.

And as I think I said earlier, I know several people locally that have had Tamiflu and I can't say with any certainty that they went 'right away' to get it. Matter of fact, one young friend of my niece was starting to feel poorly on a Thursday and didn't see the dr. until Monday...started Tamiflu on Tuesday.

And I didn't say it was about the money with the stepson--it's about the NHS in England. This isn't the first complaint out of the family over there--oh no. Pretty much any situation we hear about. From broken bones taking a week or more to be looked at by a dr (yes, a week or more!) to surgery taking MONTHS.

[mrs reb77]

It is probably not about the money. If you do not take Tamiflu within 72 hours of contacting the flu it does no good. Most people who come down with the H1N1 flu are no worse off than if they had the regular flu. Take some over the counter medicine, chicken noodle soup, and sweat it off in bed.



Which brings up a good point. People running to the doctor to get a pill every time they get the sniffles. Prescribe me some antibiotics even if it will not help, it will make me feel better. The bad little bugs in the world are mutating faster than we can find drugs to combat them. But many doctors just go on prescribing the the drugs to keep people happy, if they didn't they may loose a client and they might not bring home the fat paycheck.

OK I'm done.

Dude, just stop when you don't know that which you are yammering about.

I haven't been to a dr. for the sniffles in...in...in...crap, I was probably in grade school the last time I went to a dr. for the sniffles.
I had surgery on my ankle back in 2003. I went to the dr. for poison ivy in 2008.

[mrs reb77]

Maybe I misunderstood your post. However, here if you are suspected of having h1n1 - then you can't go to the clinic - too infectious - someone comes to your home and takes a sample to see if you have h1n1. You get treatement - just are not allowed to go into the clinic to prevent spreading...our son had the h1n1 flu - not nice....if it is really bad you have to go to emergency.......

Where are you that someone comes to your home????? Are you talking about some visiting nurse or something?

My post was regarding National Health Service in the United Kingdom where my husband's ex-wife and her children (my husband's sons) live.