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    Trade Wars will afect Our Trade.

    Many are happy that Trump is moving America towards a Trade War with not only China, but also the E.U., Canada, Mexico, & well, ... Just about everybody.

    But,.... I'm Amazed that many a Conservative/ Liberal Contractor hasn't become concerned over the Fact that Many of the Parts We use in Our Respective Trades, .... Are Manufactured Overseas, or at the least, "South of the border".

    Do Ya'll Seriously Believe that "It's All Good!"?

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    NEMA Warns That Import Tariffs Will Cause Collateral Damage to U.S. Manufacturers
    Electrical and medical imaging manufacturers want fair and open trade in global market

    May 21, 2018

    "The Office of U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) proposal to address China’s practices related to technology transfer, intellectual property, and innovation through the imposition of tariffs on approximately $50 billion in imported products will cause collateral damage throughout the U.S. manufacturing supply chain, according to the National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA).

    “NEMA shares the concerns of USTR regarding China’s industrial policies and intellectual property practices,” says NEMA President and CEO Kevin Cosgriff. “However, U.S. electrical and medical imaging manufacturers support an approach that results in fair and open global markets through the application of clear, binding, and enforceable trade rules and compliance with international norms of intellectual property protection.”

    Related: Tariffs Spark Uncertain Price Increases

    Many U.S. electrical manufacturers either produce their own products in China or source finished goods and components from contractual partners in China as a means to support their U.S. operations. The USTR proposal would place a 25% tariff on more than 100 product types within or adjacent to NEMA scope — as well as many other items that are inputs to U.S.-based manufacturing. Affected products include everything from electric motors, transformers, and switchgear to LED chips, residential thermostats, and medical imaging equipment, such as CT, MRI, and X-ray units."

    http://www.ecmweb.com/construction/n...c2c4b0ebbddb67
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    It's difficult to say how it's all going to crunch out. Keep in mind though that China needs us as a customer; otherwise they lose all that income.

    We've learned recently that the intellectual property rules that China demand are ludicrous. We just hand over all the details of everything; something there needs to change.
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    Most of the HVAC trade organizations including unitary manufacturers have spoken against Trump's trade wars, economist are also dead against it but the formally reality show star...a guy that managed to bankrupt the fortunes his daddy gave him AKA the president.... thinks he know better, listen to his rhetoric...he knows more about the military than the generals...a draft dodger that never served his country but in his mind he knows more than anyone.
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    All things suffer in a trade war not just HVAC, that are not made here in the USA. The reason the manufacturers are set against it, is they will loose profits. Either they pay the tariffs or they bring the operation back to the US. I believe all manufacturers should have considered that when they were shipping many of our good jobs out of the country. The federal government is a partner in the blame with all of the rules and regulations that have been imposed that do nothing more than add government jobs and drive up manufactirung costs.

    I am not a protectionist, I don't welcome higher costs for almost everything we need and use, but we are in bad place with repsect to jobs and manufacturing in this country. Somehow I really don't think Trump will get re-elected in 2020 and things will go back as they were and get even worse. I'm thankful I have what I have, but I work my butt off for it.

    Have good afternoon

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    Trump wont even run in 2020. He will had his fill of being president by then.

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    If the purpose of the trade wars is to bring back manufacturing and jobs to the US then who's going to do the work? the unemployment rate is 4%, my local union has nobody on the bench,everybody is hiring, drive around town and see the help wanted signs all over. if there was a good timing to start a trade war this isn't for sure.
    There is not better place for the working men than the union! 100% UA the only HVAC union!

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    The only thing I've experienced so far is having to get sheet metal stuff made. The sheet metal shops have told me they are running at full capacity and every thing is paid for. I found this out by needed some pans made quickly and they told me no amount of money could get them done in two days. Not due to the complexity but because they dont have the man power. They say this is due to the administration's trade and tariff policies. Apparently many are putting in their orders before prices skyrocket.

    It's good to bring jobs back here but when prices of goods shoot through the roof people wont buy. There has to be a balance.

    I dont know about everyone hiring because I've been looking for a new job and no one has gotten back to me. The only part of our local that doesnt have people on the bench is the HVAC service side. The plumbers and fitters all have lists of people on the bench.

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    We've been an undeclared trade war for years. Divisive tactics like shipping stuff for less than cost to squeeze into and undercut the USA markets. Lots of our "buddies" have been guilty of this.
    The question with trade wars or trade regulations is How much will it help and how much will it hurt. It all sounds so good emotionally ( get even) but maybe not so much when thought goes into the question.
    Not all bad though. The US car makers built a grossly inferior product and didn't care because the US was able to meet demand and later ( 1960's) they found more profit in selling financing than cars anyway. We probably would be driving poorer cars today if not for foreign competition. It was said in the 60's it's not possible to get 20 mpg from a Detroit tank.
    When Japan was selling steel to the US it was because we didn't make the quantity we needed. We could have but companies like US Steel found more profit in plastics. Only about 6% of their gross was from steel.
    So in some cases it wasn't trade policies entirely, but corporate hooligans that abandoned the USA that left the big hole to fill and big retailers that were willing to sell at undercut pricing.
    Were we sold out? Depends. In some cases US manufacture's had an inferior product (cars) and other times it was about corporate greed (steel).
    Globlization's promise was make world markets a "free for all" So how's that working for ya?
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    Although I can't stand Trump on a personal level (I swear if someone threw a ham sandwich across the room he'd screw it before it hit the floor) I want to be fair and say I'm glad he's getting tough on trade. The fact of the matter is globalization has been great for the top 1% of Americans who've earned more profit, but it's been very bad for the rest of us. Like I said I just want give credit when credit is due.

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    First, there's no trade war, now or in the future, because all of these countries need us just as much as we need them.

    This new approach to trade is going to result in more work for us, and that means that the people who are not included as a part of the unemployment rate are going to come back into the workforce. Remember, if you stop looking for work after 6 months, you're not included as part of the "unemployed," which is pretty much absurd.

    Now, people are going to actually come back into the workforce and start working again, because it's going to be worthwhile as wages begin to rise and we begin to make more things here in the United States that previous Presidents have said would never be made here again.

    Now is there going to be a period of adjustment? Of course there is, but we're not going to go without parts and we're not going to go without our ability to ship our goods overseas. It's just going to result in a better deal for the United States.


    Not a trade war.
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    I keep hearing about the shortage in the trucking industry. I have no first hand knowledge, but I just returned from a weeks vacation, driving all the way, and I can tell you there are plenty of semis on the road.

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    Nations stumble into trade wars just as easily as they stumble into any war.
    Threats that are carried out often are met with a response. Like see who blinks first. WW2 with Japan was an economic war.
    Governments are in part basic economic entities and use survival as the first response.
    Bringing home the bacon belongs to the countries industries.
    Problem is Globalization creates a corporate "Persona non Grata" No allegiance to any country. Take the money and run.
    I think the movie Blade Runner gave a good look at the world under corporate dominance. Given time, the economics of the world will shift from governments to corporations. The corporate will control the world's economies and Governments will be broke.
    Being here for such a short time it can be hard to see patterns evolve. Usually it's hidden in plain sight as the saying goes.
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    I Believe that America, & the World, are repeating the circumstances of 1929 all over again. Problem is, ... America doesn't have the Industrial Base that it had during that time.

    Nor does America have the Leadership, nor Morality, to handle a Financial Crisis equal to, or greater than 1929.

    We have Millions of Americans on Food Stamps, & Millions of Americans that wouldn't be able to come up with $1000.00, all of which, in My Belief, is an indicator of the Strength of Our Economy.

    If, these talked about Sanctions, become Physical Reality, then everything from Medicines, to Food, to Auto Parts, & even HVAC/ Refrig./ Electrical materials, will Initially escalate rapidly in price, & then,depending on the Severity of a "Trade War", ... Quite possibly become Non-existent.

    With Trump leading the Administration, & also considering his "Shoot First & Ask Questions later" Attitude, ..... I'm thinking that he will continue on this path, as a Show of Strength, ... At the Cost of John Q. Public suffering huge Losses, & like various individuals that were "Posing as American Leaders", ... The American people will again be told something similar to "We Feel Your Pain.", ... Problem is, I believe that We'll be told, that all of this, will "Make America Great Again!".

    As far as "China needing Us."? Uhhh no. China has been moving steadily towards relieving itself of American Debt, as well as Making it's Currency the Yuan, the Reserve Currency of the World. Russia, Iran, The E.U., & several more "World Players" are becoming very interested in this, & even more so, since Trump has begun sanctions against E.U. products. Matter of Fact, China has been Aggressively setting up more Trade ties, with Russia, Iran, The E.U., Africa, South & Central & S. America, & more, .... To Ignore what China, & many other Nations are, & have been doing, Economically & Trade wise, over the past couple of years, & to Assume that The Almighty Dollar will reign Supreme, in My Belief, will prove to be a Catastrophic, as well as Fatal Economic & National Mistake.

    But here We are, as a Nation, ..... Deeply in Debt, Printing $$$ out of thin air, & a Shell of the Industrial Giant, that climbed out of the Great Depression, Fought World War Two, & Saved the World from Fascism.

    Unless Common Sense, Patriotic, & Knowledgeable People do not soon rise up in Washington, & "Grab th' Bull by th' Horns", .... It is going to Ver Soon, get Very, Very Bad in America.
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


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