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    Do Unions do residential work?

    Hello. First post on the forum. I currently live in Upstate NY where all the local UA does is industrial and commercial work. However i have recently heard that the local union is expanding to residential. Do unions in other parts of the country also do residential work or do they stick to industrial and commercial. This might be a stupid question but it is a foreign concept to me. Also for the anybody who lives in an area where unions do resi work does it mess with local codes or affect the privately held companies in any way. Not trying to start a union vs non union war just seeing how it is in other regions of the country. Thanks in advance

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    I’m union. We do resi work, but service and change outs only. No new construction. We also do commercial/industrial service and new construction.

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    There is one company in my area that I know of that is union and does residential and light commercial.
    All the other union companies will usually only do residential if it is somehow connect to a commercial account, as in for one of the store managers etc.
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    A big company a few towns over is all residential and union. I'm in the process now of bringing a union into the shop I work at and we are mostly residential with some light commercial (tedious process I'm sorta documenting in the Pro section) The UA breaks it down by if you are commercial, residential, service or new construction and there are various pay and benefits charts depending on where you fit in.

    Unions absolutely affect private companies I got my boss to change our on call pay system because I knew that the other company a few towns over did it better. It also helps bump up wages there is a need for techs and if I can drive 15 minutes extra and make a few extra dollars an hour that's what I will do. Boss still doesn't pay exactly union rates but he is conscious of what the competition pays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jf1202 View Post
    . Also for the anybody who lives in an area where unions do resi work does it mess with local codes or affect the privately held companies in any way. Thanks in advance
    Union companies are privately held and follow the same rules and codes as everybody else.
    There is not better place for the working men than the union! 100% UA the only HVAC union!

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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    Union companies are privately held and follow the same rules and codes as everybody else.
    Yea I misspoke when i typed that. I guess what I was trying to say is does having a union strong union presence create more stringent codes. I always hear of counties south of me (where there is a strong union presence) that you are not allowed to use PEX for water lines and other things like that due to the unions However this could just be one of those things that I have heard my whole life and is not true. I'm just curios because I am still in tech school and was wondering how this would impact local companies and jobs in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jf1202 View Post
    Yea I misspoke when i typed that. I guess what I was trying to say is does having a union strong union presence create more stringent codes. I always hear of counties south of me (where there is a strong union presence) that you are not allowed to use PEX for water lines and other things like that due to the unions However this could just be one of those things that I have heard my whole life and is not true. I'm just curios because I am still in tech school and was wondering how this would impact local companies and jobs in the future.
    Unions should not affect the codes, I’m sure they do some lobbying when the new codes are written and could potentially have some say in a local AHJ requiring more stringent wording in their local codes but anyone could do that regardless of union or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    Unions should not affect the codes, I’m sure they do some lobbying when the new codes are written and could potentially have some say in a local AHJ requiring more stringent wording in their local codes but anyone could do that regardless of union or not.
    Unions don't write the codes, government does it, unions and corporations/companies both do lobbying, one side lobbying for the workers and the other for the owners. Unions indirectly force non-union companies to pay more to their employees, if you think one day a company owner woke up and out pure goodness decided to give you pay vacation,overtime pay, sick days,weekends off, health insurance etc..well think again and thanks the unions for all of it.
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    Some companies do. I know there is a different scale for it. I remember reading in the UA magazine about a residential plumbing company that was union in Texas. The only residential work we do is as favors for clients of ours. Sometimes they are just side jobs, but a couple we pulled permits through our company to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    Unions should not affect the codes, I’m sure they do some lobbying when the new codes are written and could potentially have some say in a local AHJ requiring more stringent wording in their local codes but anyone could do that regardless of union or not.
    Since you misinterpreted my post I’ll just one up you.

    Unions had a place back in the day and a lot of the things they brought forth were beneficial. But Like everything, they’ve gotten out of hand and are one of the biggest reasons that corporations have been/are moving to other more business friendly countries.

    Unions are socialism, I don’t need a union to negotiate for me. I can handle that myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    Since you misinterpreted my post I’ll just one up you.

    Unions had a place back in the day and a lot of the things they brought forth were beneficial. But Like everything, they’ve gotten out of hand and are one of the biggest reasons that corporations have been/are moving to other more business friendly countries.

    Unions are socialism, I don’t need a union to negotiate for me. I can handle that myself.
    Maybe if China and Bangladesh had strong unions companies wouldn't be looking to setup shop over there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    Since you misinterpreted my post I’ll just one up you.

    Unions had a place back in the day and a lot of the things they brought forth were beneficial. But Like everything, they’ve gotten out of hand and are one of the biggest reasons that corporations have been/are moving to other more business friendly countries.

    Unions are socialism, I don’t need a union to negotiate for me. I can handle that myself.
    I agree. I'm only union for the training. Beyond that it's too much politics for my taste. Along with too much favoritism towards the fitters while us service guys get treated like second class members because we work more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooty View Post
    Maybe if China and Bangladesh had strong unions companies wouldn't be looking to setup shop over there?
    Maybe not but those countries don’t and they never will.

    Unions “force” companies to pay someone 30 an hour plus all the other strangling regulations/red tape they have to abide by, not to mention taxes to screw a door on a fridge as it comes down an assembly line. My 7 year old can screw a door on a fridge, no reason a grown man or woman should make 60k a year for that crap .

    As far as the trades go, if you know what you’re doing and are good at it then you’ll make your money. If you don’t and just ride the clock you shouldn’t make close to what the hard working smart guy/girl makes just because you belong to a union.


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