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  1. #14
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    Pretty dang ugly!!!! Wondering if the priciest part of this job was the tape..

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    update

    since it was a friend of yours could you get some pics of the new install like to see the before/after.?

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    There's a ton of jobs around like that and worse

    Especially in crawl spaces. It's like the installers are pissed off having to work in the nasty conditions and get-back at somebody by doing the worst possible job.

    Crawl space "direct drains" are very common I find. Even if the unit is above in the conditioned space - 1" hole in the floor and there you go! <g>

    I looked at one earlier this week where you had to literally crawl though mud and cat **** and who knows what other scary stuff (no lights of course) the entire long length of the house to get to the furnace.

    Then the furnace was an 80% with the draft inducer blower gone and some smoke pipe sort of propped and duct taped in it's place. HSI gone and a standing pilot gas valve and pilot assembly shoved in and held with a coat hanger. Transformer out of the cabinet and hanging at the end of it's extension cord. Every control burned away by all the flame that had been apparently burning in the vestibule.

    Even the gas valve was a foot out in the air - I gues to avoid having it burn up.

    Control System - Extension cord, transformer, stat, gas valve.

    And the guy told me that it had been working well since some relative of his had "fixed it" a few years ago.

    I don't often refuse to work on things, almost never in fact, but this one I walked. I told that the only answer was a properly installed new one. And either a new access hole, or the furnace installed new the existing access. <g>

    They paid the bill in cash, but then I don't know what they did.

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    phm

    I quit taking any new crawler accounts this week. Same reasons you listed. I'm saving my knees for grandkids.
    Be safe not fast. body parts don't grow back

  5. #18
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    Allergies flaring up

    Just looking at that nasty crawlspace.I would'nt service that mess

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    speaking of "mess" - I have one in my office


    I have a 90% gas upflow furnace in my office. Which is just a house that I don't live in. The furnace has been a little sporatic, but the girl in the office would turn it off and on and it would run. No mention to me - of course! "didn't want to bother you". <g>

    Well, it got so it had to be re-set about every fifteen minutes before she mentioned the problem. Turned out to be a large hole in the heat-X. <g> But . . . Life Time Heat-X Warranty so - no worries, right?

    Have it shipped, two hours to exchange it, back in business. Except . . . . . that particular heat-X is no longer available. So? A $350. credit towards the purchase of a new furnace. Which isn't the worst thing in the world, as I have been seriously coveting a 90+% two-stage for a while now. (maybe be careful what I wish for? <g>)

    Except that it has been below freezing here for two weeks and so we have more new friends than it's easy to imagine. I personally worked two 20 hour days back to back this past week.

    And so I have not been able to get to my own office unit install. The girl who's there much of the time has been a real trooper; first using a small electric heater to heat her office, and then lighting the stove in the kitchen for heat.

    She wasn't coming in on Friday and it went down into single digits on Thursday night. So I stopped there and lit four burners on the kitchen stove and set the stat's fan switch to ON. And on Friday morning it was about 80 degrees!

    I was still concerned about frozen pipes, so I left two burners going. And the furnace blower. And on Saturday morning it was 70 degrees! So I went down to just one stove burner lit.

    Last night it was about 12 degrees out and this morning it was 62 degrees in there.

    Now, as I recall; residential kitchen stove burners are about 5000-6000 BTU's each. And the conditioned space is just a bit over 1600 square feet.

    So my question is - how is that possible?

    How is it possible that, on a nearly design minimum temp day, with one single 5-6K burner as the only source of heat, it is nearly maintaining comfort conditions in the space? <g>

    It just amazes me. Any ideas?

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    You Have any headaces lately???

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    Headaches? Yeah! Plenty!


    But I'm sure they are not from my office's atmosphere. It's 15-20 here now - I'm sure not spending much time in the office! <g>

    But that reminds me of something -

    Picture that it's Christmas. You are having 25 family members over for Christmas dinner. Your wife and mother have had the oven on, cooking the huge turkey, since last night sometime. It's winter and the house is sealed up tight against the cold. There are also preparing all kind of stuff on the stove itself - all the burners are going and have been all day.

    So, if there is any danger, then why aren't all the relatives keeling over right and left?

    No residential stove is vented. How come no problems seem to happen as a result?

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    Thumbs up

    Good point!! Just be carefull, I hear about allot of deaths every year because people are doing that same thing. Space heaters, ventless gas heaters etc.

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    I agree, but I have often wondered -


    We would never even considr leaving the flue pipe off a 40 gallon gas hot water heater, which is about 35K BTU's.

    But running an unvented stove and over on the kitchen (about the same BTU's) is perfectly OK.

    I wonder why?

    PHM
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  11. #24
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    Re: Allergies flaring up

    Originally posted by mrairman
    Just looking at that nasty crawlspace.I would'nt service that mess
    It's not a lot worse then some of the old,small attics in Port Richey,Florida,though it is wetter!

  12. #25
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    Like I said uncle Reub would be proud

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    how long has he had problems with his lungs

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