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    We should not have to be licensed to do anything! All licenses are, are licenses for government to take more of our money by pretending to do something for our collective good.

    We should get rid of all licensing and start handing out "not licensed" certificates to those who do things they don't know how to do properly. (This idea comes from the sequel to Atlas Shrugged called Atlas Snubbed) If every hack who screwed up a system were to get a "not-licensed" certificate and their name and photo were posted in prominent places for all to see, the hacks would either get better or not get any more work.

    Licensing just punishes everyone in a lame attempt to regulate those who don't really care whether they are licensed or not.
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    To the states and local governments, it's all about revenue. Not about safety and proper procedures. I was told by an inspector, that if I saw an unlicensed individual doing work at a job site I should take pictures of him working and forward the pictures to the inspector's agency. "We don't have the funding to pay for enforcement." So am I supposed to do their job?
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    It just mind boggles me that thier is No Lic needed to do HVAC work in the USA. If you do not have a Gas lic in Canada you can,t buy gas fired parts. If you do not have an ODP card you cant buy reffer. The TSSA polices and gives out Lic. They pic companys at random to come out and inspect your jobs. They hand out hefty fines as well. It doesnt stop the hacks but I think it lessens it just a little bit. I like having a Lic hell a Refer Lic is the same as a BA from university both 5 years to obtain. I have a G1.going for CFQ Reefer Lic,have ODP Lic, Gas tight Lic and after I get my Refer Lic I will start my Electricain Aprentice. I was ounce told by a wise old man that the new way is all about that piece of paper (Lic) It doesnt matter if you can do the job you just gotta ahve that piece of paper. Who are they gonna fire the guy with 1 Lic or the guy with 7?? I am Proud to be a Lic HVAC/R Tech

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    Quote Originally Posted by #1CDNTECH View Post
    It just mind boggles me that thier is No Lic needed to do HVAC work in the USA. If you do not have a Gas lic in Canada you can,t buy gas fired parts. If you do not have an ODP card you cant buy reffer. The TSSA polices and gives out Lic. They pic companys at random to come out and inspect your jobs. They hand out hefty fines as well. It doesnt stop the hacks but I think it lessens it just a little bit. I like having a Lic hell a Refer Lic is the same as a BA from university both 5 years to obtain. I have a G1.going for CFQ Reefer Lic,have ODP Lic, Gas tight Lic and after I get my Refer Lic I will start my Electricain Aprentice. I was ounce told by a wise old man that the new way is all about that piece of paper (Lic) It doesnt matter if you can do the job you just gotta ahve that piece of paper. Who are they gonna fire the guy with 1 Lic or the guy with 7?? I am Proud to be a Lic HVAC/R Tech
    The U.S. is supposed to be the land of the free. Citizen's under constant governing are not free. Unlike Canada, the U.S. fought the British (and Canadians) for independence from governmental rule over the citizens. Why would we want to continue striving to get back to that which our ancestors fought to get rid of?
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    Licensing is only as good as its police state or in some jurisdictions, extortion.

    For most part, those who care...they pay the price and accept what they need to do. In fact most of them have already figured out how to differentiate themselves from the competition.

    But what about markets where you buy in, just because that is what is expected of you (and really--you want to debate that position?)

    Many years ago, I read an editorial in a periodical that has stuck with me to this day. The article was about our justice system. The questions and observations were eye opening and do have an impact on how I view regulation today. The statement was: our justice system is predicated on the premise that those who err want to learn--be rehabilitated (and I am not just using fancy words,) the question that followed: what do you do with those who have no interest or desire to learn?

    Licensing only gives them a blank check...don't you think?
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    Frown

    DGIO-NOT, I agree completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #1CDNTECH View Post
    It just mind boggles me that thier is No Lic needed to do HVAC work in the USA. If you do not have a Gas lic in Canada you can,t buy gas fired parts. If you do not have an ODP card you cant buy reffer. The TSSA polices and gives out Lic. They pic companys at random to come out and inspect your jobs. They hand out hefty fines as well. It doesnt stop the hacks but I think it lessens it just a little bit. I like having a Lic hell a Refer Lic is the same as a BA from university both 5 years to obtain. I have a G1.going for CFQ Reefer Lic,have ODP Lic, Gas tight Lic and after I get my Refer Lic I will start my Electricain Aprentice. I was ounce told by a wise old man that the new way is all about that piece of paper (Lic) It doesnt matter if you can do the job you just gotta ahve that piece of paper. Who are they gonna fire the guy with 1 Lic or the guy with 7?? I am Proud to be a Lic HVAC/R Tech
    If all that works so well, why does Mike Holmes have more folks who need help than he could take care of in a dozen lifetimes???
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    The U.S. is supposed to be the land of the free. Citizen's under constant governing are not free. Unlike Canada, the U.S. fought the British (and Canadians) for independence from governmental rule over the citizens. Why would we want to continue striving to get back to that which our ancestors fought to get rid of?
    The Land of the Free? So you think it should just be a free for all? Why do americans need a drivers lic? Why can't I just come to the states and start doing breast implants? Doesn't sound like the Land of the free to me. It shows that the people that are doing the work are capable of doing the work thats why they are Lic Tech not some guy that was working at McDonalds and says Hey I wanna be an HVAC/R Tech and the next day he is. It is the Land of the Free. He has a FREE choice to better himself and get a Lic and become an HVAC/R Tech. Not some weekender wanna be un Lic hack. That pops up every where when its a Free for all.

    I don't see how having to be Lic to do a skilled job is hurting you Freedom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by #1CDNTECH View Post
    The Land of the Free? So you think it should just be a free for all? Why do americans need a drivers lic? Why can't I just come to the states and start doing breast implants? Doesn't sound like the Land of the free to me. It shows that the people that are doing the work are capable of doing the work thats why they are Lic Tech not some guy that was working at McDonalds and says Hey I wanna be an HVAC/R Tech and the next day he is. It is the Land of the Free. He has a FREE choice to better himself and get a Lic and become an HVAC/R Tech. Not some weekender wanna be un Lic hack. That pops up every where when its a Free for all.

    I don't see how having to be Lic to do a skilled job is hurting you Freedom?
    Licensing does not equate to competence. If you want to be successful and stay employed then you need to be competent so you work hard towards that goal. You stay informed, educated and you take your vocation seriously.

    That plus a the personal commitment to be the very best you can possibly be is what makes a technician qualified. A qualified American technician. We believe in a strong work ethic.

    The lack of government distributed stamped official looking documents must mean NOTHING works for longer than 15 minutes in America right ?

    Well it does and there must be a reason for it.

    We, left alone in our trade to run it as we see fit with minimal government intervention have shown that governmental involvement is unessential.

    Its hard to explain to someone who lives in a society that is complacent to governmental involvement the importance of the individual in a free society.

    A true American repulses at the thought of governmental dependency and government assistance. Those who live here that have been brought up with their hand out asking what can this Country do for me do not represent the majority who only ask to be left alone and know their capabilities.


    Aslo if you've ever been to the states you'll know a drivers license doesn't equate to competence behind the wheel

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    Quote Originally Posted by commtech77 View Post
    Licensing does not equate to competence.
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    Aslo if you've ever been to the states you'll know a drivers license doesn't equate to competence behind the wheel
    That is true in all things.

    A pilot's license does NOT make you a good pilot.

    A Doctor's medical license does NOT make you a good doctor.

    In fact, a document that says you are a President of the US does NOT make you a good President, lol!!!

    Perhaps what this means is that we are generally unwilling to delude ourselves into believing that having licensing would make the trade better here.

    From what I see on TV, licensing does not keep Mike Holmes from shaking his head, does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by #1CDNTECH View Post
    The Land of the Free? So you think it should just be a free for all? Why do americans need a drivers lic? Why can't I just come to the states and start doing breast implants? Doesn't sound like the Land of the free to me. It shows that the people that are doing the work are capable of doing the work thats why they are Lic Tech not some guy that was working at McDonalds and says Hey I wanna be an HVAC/R Tech and the next day he is. It is the Land of the Free. He has a FREE choice to better himself and get a Lic and become an HVAC/R Tech. Not some weekender wanna be un Lic hack. That pops up every where when its a Free for all.

    I don't see how having to be Lic to do a skilled job is hurting you Freedom?
    Unfortunately, some freedoms must be given up in order to have a structured society. However, that does not mean that we should allow government to have a free for all reign over our lives.

    No, I do believe the entire population of the U.S. should be penalized by being required to have drivers licenses. A more logical approach would be to give those drivers who do not respect the rights of others by not staying within the guidelines that society sets for driving to be given a "Not Allowed to Drive" license. Why should everyone have to pay for what a few do?

    If you are qualified to do breast implants and have proof of your education to do so, I see no reason why you should not be able to do them without having to pay government licensing fees. Is there any way that government licensing makes anyone a better driver or a better breast implanter?

    How does having a license prove that one tech is better then another? I don't have a license to do HVAC work in local areas of the U.S. that require licensing, and I'll bet I'm much better at doing such work then most of those who are licensed are.

    The problem with Canadian thinking is that you don't understand that the United States of America is supposed to be a union of independent states and not a federation under a central government control.

    As for your thinking that Canada works better then the U.S. because Canadians are all subserviant to government and the Queen of England, think about this; Is the major monetary unit in the world the U.S. dollar? Is the U.S. military the most prominent defense system in more nations in the world then any other? When the most powerful leader in the world is mentioned, do people think of the U.S. president or the Canadian Prime Minister?

    I'm not trying to be an ass about this, but if you are going to start making accusations, you should first think about what you are claiming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by #1CDNTECH View Post
    I don't see how having to be Lic to do a skilled job is hurting you Freedom?
    Maybe up in the hat, asking the crown for permission to do anything feels so normal. Having to get government approval for everything and doing it by government prescribed methods isn't the idea of freedom.

    There comes a point where its necessary to regulate things like deciding that we're going on the right side for the sake of keeping people from driving on whichever side they feel like driving on. We know though traffic cops have stepped over their line and turned it into a revenue center.

    Truth to be told, the contractors complaining about the practice of unlicensed ones aren't concerned about the practice itself as much as the fear of competition.

    A truly concerned environmentalist would be reporting neighbors' cars for having gutted out catalytic converter as often as reporting competitors to EPA for venting refrigerants.

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