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  1. #27
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    MORE GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE ANSWER!

    here in California we have a hack epidemic.

    the government comes out and says, "to be a contractor you need this,this,and this, ...EPA this , IRS that"

    the average technician who has been in the field for years is scared to apply.

    meanwhile, some guy who gets off the boat from Micronesia says "yeah yeah yeah, i got all that...26 years as a contractor in Micronesia"
    then, he gets his Micronesian buddies to lie for him on the application,
    ....the honest tech doesn't have this.

    if the contractor's board raises an issue, the Micronesian starts screaming "racism".
    ...and guess what?
    even though the contractor's board requires 5 years experience, they cave and give the guy a license even though his real experience is less than a year.

    and you think more government will help this?

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    the inspectors out here are a joke.
    they don't even know what the hell they are looking at.
    the government keeps them dumb on purpose.

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    we had an American contractor guy who was getting information from old ladies, on jobs, then emptying their bank account.
    despite numerous complaints, the board never pulled his license until they did a big story about him on TV.

    we need more corrupt government?



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    the solutions are simple.

    the government needs to give people a general test.
    it doesn't matter if you've been in the field 5 years or 5 minutes, if you know your sht, you pass, and get your license.

    if too many people (percentage) complain about your company, you lose your license.

    if people want to hire contractors without checking credentials, that's their risk.

    there's little reason for people to get burned by contractors, because in most states you don't have to pay much of anything until the job is done

  2. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    That's because neither of the two things that come from Texas are very good with HVAC; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyFSd...yer_detailpage
    Really? Really?
    With your chrome heart shining in the sun, long may you run.

  3. #29
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    That is what has caused a lot of the mess we are in."I do not like there should be more laws funny 99.9% of the time there is already a law to deal with an issue it just is not enforced then they add another to it not long from now we will all be criminals in some form or fashion.(maybe by design?).By the way they are going to run healthcare scary because if you look at everything else they do it is "great"for those who fit a cookie cutter mold sucks for those outside box speaking from experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandShark View Post
    Really? Really?
    Oh come on, now! Don't tell me you don't have a sense of humor. You're just reinforcing my stand that you guys aren't really "gay" at all..........
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


  5. #31
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    You live in NY state right? Don't they have a state lic. board for HVAC contractors? Sue the owner for payment and tell the owner to tell the installer to correct all the mistakes you told him or he will report the job to the state lic board and the installer will be subject to fines and or suspension or revocation of lic. Thank you, thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
    Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Oh come on, now! Don't tell me you don't have a sense of humor. You're just reinforcing my stand that you guys aren't really "gay" at all..........
    Well you know robo after all not all folks have a sense of humor or as "gay" as you are you don't you know especially on the gay thing so to speak yours truly included. Thank you, thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
    Barry Goldwater

  7. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Unit View Post
    Went on a service call yesterday for a wonderful Quietside boiler and wish I had a camera. Never seen an install this bad! Here was the list of problems I found in my 45 min. there before just telling the property owner it needs to be ripped out and re-installed.
    1) Gas piping in black pipe ran across floor, not secured either, with no drip leg or shutoff, ANYWHERE!
    2) No automatic fill valve, just a manual ball valve.
    3) Exhaust slopes downward the whole length of the run.
    4) Boiler intake stubs out of mechanical room into basement area.
    5) No expansion tank anywhere to be found.
    6) System has three zones with one common return. Their are no zone valves the pumps just turn on when that specific zone calls. The boiler is piped with the pumps pushing into the boiler then up what was originally supposed to be the return lines so their is no control of the zone

    Then the property owner refuses to pay because I didn't fix anything! Not my fault he's too cheap! I told him to call the original installer seeing as how it was put in 9 months ago, but he lost the guys number. Not the COMPANYS number but the GUYS number! Time to call the inspector for that city.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PCz_qk19Qw

    Yes, lets keep feeding the beast, so it can have more litters.


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  8. #34
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    Before I was involved in HVAC I was in aviation as both military and civilian. In Hvac while working for other companies the same SOP was used and that was "Here is your truck and here are your calls. They never had a clue if I knew what I was doing and any advice from the "pros" was questionable.

    In aviation an apprentice for their A&P license worked side by side with a licensed mechanic and everything was inspected by an A&P inspector. There was no "doing it my way" and I never heard of a short cut. It was by the book.
    Government involvement doesn't have to be a bad thing but to involve the Gov at this stage of the Hvac evolution is like taming the wild west. It's also a lot larger than aviation. Some in Government might say let the market do it's job. Those of us that have been in Hvac for awhile might say Good luck with that. The market is predicated on cheap is better and the final judge on this is a no nothing customer.
    It's interesting in this field counting how many excellent techs you've known compared with the others.
    Tracers work both ways.

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    might have been as you described years ago, but todat the final judge is your public reputation on referral websites and social media. Now, its not only a question of price, but one of did you make a repair that "stuck to the wall."
    [Avatar photo from a Florida training accident. Everyone walked away.]
    2 Tim 3:16-17

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  10. #36
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    Probably did not pay the other guy thats why he did not call him

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    We're in America.
    Do you want to turn it into a police state than it already is now?

    Look at all DWI injuries and death. Of that, how many of those were caused by unlicensed drivers?

    If licensing was the sole factor, you would feel 100% comfortable riding with a stranger because he's licensed to drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICanHas View Post
    If licensing was the sole factor, you would feel 100% comfortable riding with a stranger because he's licensed to drive.
    Since the majority of the "licensed" drivers on the road lack the intellectual capacity to safely operate a motor vehicle on the highway, no....
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark beiser View Post
    Since the majority of the "licensed" drivers on the road lack the intellectual capacity to safely operate a motor vehicle on the highway, no....
    Yeah, the fact that my brother has a license, is proof enough that the test needs to be harder.


    As mentioned before, it's not just the "law", it's enforcement.
    I know a of entire counties that don't exactly have HVAC codes, because they don't even have inspectors.
    "Better tell the sandman to stay away, because we're gonna be workin on this one all night."

    "Dude, you need more than 2 wires to a condenser to run a 2 stage heatpump."

    "Just get it done son."

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