Lennox G71MPP - How can I tell if it's running in variable mode?

[elgoosh]

I just had a new furnace installed (Lennox G71MPP) which is supposed to have variable stages, up to 60. However, after looking at the diagnostic code on the furnace, I've noticed only the following three codes appear at different various times:

"H2A945"
"H1A622"
"A410"

I know the "H" stands for heat and the last three digits represent the CFM. However, my concern is that the unit is only running in stage 1 or stage 2.

After reading a very helpful older thread:
http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread....ghlight=G71MPP

...I would think that I should see 2 digits between the H and A, representing the variable %.

For example, "H63A720" would mean the heat is running at 63%, right?

Since I am only seeing 1 digit after the H (either a "1" or "2"), is my furnace only running in two stage mode?

Also, the previous thread discussed checking the dip switches. I'm not sure how to find my dip switches. Any pointers?

If anyone else has a Lennox G71MPP that can verify how to determine if the furnace is running in true variable mode instead of two-stage mode, I'd greatly appreciate any tips.

Thanks so much!

My setup
Furnace = Lennox G71MPP
AC = Lennox XC13
Humidifier = Aprilaire 600a
Thermostat = Honeywell VisionPro 8000 (3H / 2C)

[elgoosh]

Well, I figured out the answer to my own question. The vendor who installed my furnace did not set it up properly.

If your G71MPP furnace flashes a code starting with capital "H", then it is not configured properly and it is running in two-stage mode.

If your furnace flashes a code starting with lowercase "h", then it is properly running in variable mode.

Similar to the other thread, the #2 dip switch had to be flipped up (or on) to put it in variable mode. The dip switch is very small and on the left side of the board behind the bottom furnace panel.

It's unfortunate that these furnace vendors are not setting up the G71MPPs properly, especially since we are paying several hundred dollars more for the variable speed functionality.

Finally, so far I've only noticed levels of:
"h40A###"
"h70A###"
"h80A###"
"h100A###"

So, I haven't been impressed with the furnace itself and the variability of the stages. It may have been better to just stick with the two-stage model for less money.

I hope this thread helps others.

[GREGHVACGUY]

Just give it time you will come to love your furnace. When you are stay warm and you get you first gas bill. if the furnace is keeping you warm stop watching your furnace it will just drive you crazzy.

[mayguy]

So, I haven't been impressed with the furnace itself and the variability of the stages. It may have been better to just stick with the two-stage model for less money..

What are you not impressed about on this furnace?

[elgoosh]

Probably my biggest frustration is with the installers, instead of the furnace itself. After doing some more internet research, it seems to be a common problem was this furnace. HVAC companies are not setting them up properly, and it's a simple matter of understanding the diagnostic code and flipping a switch. My guess is that the two-stage mode is the default setting and a lot of people who bought this furnace have it running in two-stage mode and probably don't realize it.

The other reason I wasn't too impressed is due to the lack of variability from what I've seen so far. I've checked the code maybe 3-4 times per day out of curiosity as I pass the furnace room. I've only seen levels of 40%, 70%, 80% and 100%. It's supposed to have 60 stages, not just four.

True, the furnace is keeping us warm. However, I think we would have been just as warm with the next model level down, G61, which is a true two-stage furnace for over $400 less cost.

[GREGHVACGUY]

Yes there was alot of furnace put in and not set up right. The company I work for did the same thing after we figered it out thay run like a champ.I have the same furnace in my home.What thermostat do you have? the way the stat is set up may have something to do with it. you should have a IAQ or the stat from lennox and thay need to be set right. Make sure it is and it will work the best. It take time for the furnace to learn the heat curve.

[elgoosh]

Thanks for the info. They gave me a VisionPro 8000 (3 stage heat / 2 cool). I haven't even checked the installation settings for the thermostat. Is it possible something is setup wrong in the thermostat that is limiting it to only 4 stages? (40%, 70%, 80% and 100%)?

[GREGHVACGUY]

Have not used that stat on this furnace.Is this set up with a heat pump? the stat should be set for 2 stage with w1 and w2 wired in. and the recover turned off. when i had class with lennox dont think thay wonted that stat with that furnace. try and see if thay will put the lennox stat in.

[pacnw]

G71 also "learns" from the prior run.
It will not start off in the lowest position if it had to ramp all the way up to satisfy temp setting. It will start out at a higher position and then ramp up from there.
If you have the manual, which it sounds as if you do, read through it and pay close attention to its variable stage features.
Yes, the stat being set up incorrectly can affect the furnace.
I would also suggest that the thermostat be switched out for the Lennox Comfort Sense 5000, re badged and additional/different programming, version of the Vision Pro 8000.

[westlaker]

My new Lennox XP15/G71MPP is also flashing "H1A622" at various times. I will contact my furnace installer to have this investigated. I also spent about 500 more for the variable speed option in BC. Was there anything that needed to be changed on your Honeywell VisionPro 8000?

Elgoosh, do you leave your temperature settings at a consistent temperature throughout the day/night.

Thank You very much for sharing this.

Lennox G71MPP
Lennox Heatpump XP15
Honeywell VisionPro TH8320U 3H/2C

[mayguy]

I would also suggest that the thermostat be switched out for the Lennox Comfort Sense 5000, re badged and additional/different programming, version of the Vision Pro 8000.

What is the person going to gain with the Lennnox's t-stat vs the Honeywell? Does this stat up and down all the stages like the Rheem's Mod stat, rather than the Lennox locking in the high stage untill heat is no longer called for?

[elgoosh]

Thanks everyone. I have recently seen my furnace run in some other stages such as 59%, 78%, etc. I didn't do anything to change my thermostat. As pacnw pointed out, the furnace probably needed a few weeks to "learn" my environment and adjust as needed.

Westlaker, it sounds like you had the same problem as me. Apparently, there is a setting on the T-stat that you have to make sure is configured properly, but I would first check the furnace. If you take the bottom pannel off, make sure dip switch #2 is UP or ON (I think it's the only white switch where the others are a burnt orange). It's small, and on the left side of the board, and you may need a very small screw driver to push it up. Once it shows lowercase "h", it's setup properly and you're good to go.

I hope this helps.

[elleryqueen]

Yes, I have a similar question. My Lennox G71MPP is running in 2 stage based on the H code that is coming up. I looked at the dip switches and can see #2 is in the off position. Silly question but I see the 3 rows of dip switches all have a clear protective covering over them so not sure how to actually access the #2 dip switch to turn it on so I can get the furnace to go in variable stage instead of 2 stage? Does this protective cover come off? Also, anything I need to do to the thermostat to get it to run in variable stage?
My setup is:
XP19 Heat Pump
G71MPP Gas Furnace
Comfortsense 7000 thermostat

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[Vettgetsmwet04]

I see some home owners are smarter than alot of installers lol. Yes it is true this particular furnace comes factory set for it to run as a 2 stage furnace, instead of variable capacity mode, pretty silly if u ask me. Call your contractor and read the installtion book. Especially the dip switch page. But once u get your furnace set up right you will not be disapointed, it is unbelievable quiet and comfortable, it does have a learning curve at first but after that it will modulate up and down as needed. Vision pro 8000 is just fine to use on this unit, any stat with w1 and w2 outputs can run this furnace in variable capacity mode. If w1 call comes on and satistifies the heat demand then the furnace will drop in heating output on the next call, if w1 is called and it needs a w2 signal from increased heat loss then it will go up on heat output on the next call a certain percent.

Good luck

[platchford]

What is the person going to gain with the Lennnox's t-stat vs the Honeywell? Does this stat up and down all the stages like the Rheem's Mod stat, rather than the Lennox locking in the high stage untill heat is no longer called for?

They won't gain a thing. The Comfort Sense 5000 works just like the VP8000 with W1 and W2... the furnace itself does all the modding based on the W1 and W2 calls and the run-time length during calls for heat. I'm surprised they didn't use the Lennox version though simply because its generally cheaper from Lennox than the VP8000 is from our supplier.

[tsl]

I will get my G71MPP installed on Nov 18, 2009, the installer will provide Honeywell FP6000 thermostat. Are they compatible? Should I ask for Comfortsense 5000 or VisionPro 8000? I do not have AC or heat pump. Thanks.

[jason56]

Hello everyone, I am having a York YP9C Modulating Furnace (80,000 BTU) installed with a York LX14.5 YCJF A/C, and a Aprilaire 600M Humidistat. Will the Vision Pro 8000 series single stage tstat work okay?

[beenthere]

Yes. But the IAQ would work better for cooling.

[Vettgetsmwet04]

TSL, the focus pro 6000 will do just fine as long as its the 2 stage heating model. a single stage stat cannot run this furnace in the variable capacity mode, u have to have a w1 and w2 imouts from the stat to the unit. the focus 6000 and 8000 and comfortsense 5000 will all do the same, its just up to u with what u want to spend. i personally would go with the lennox comfortsense 5000, it has humidtol built into it, which means u can run your whole house humidifier off of it, and a dehumidification ability to ramp the blower down in the cooling mode to 80% for better dehumdification on high humidity days. the other two cant do that. and if you upgrade to a 2 stage heat pump the 5000 comfortsense has 4 stages of heat so u can control every stage of heat for that as well. but they all will run your furnace just fine as long as everything is set up properly.