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Thread: Empire fireplace probs
12-31-2003, 04:13 AM #14Regular Guest
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<<All sorts of goofy things fireplaces can do to trick and aggravate the most experienced Fp service tech, right S/P? You seem to know the joy I speak of.
Oh my yes! Combustion problems are frequently rotten to figure out because of a lot of possible variables and the difficulty of examining the system.
If I had a competetor I hated, I'd send all those tough combustion problems over to them to figure out. Instead, people tend to refer people to ME! Who have I teed off do you think?
I posted a thread a couple of weeks ago where I was hired as a consultant to help bird dog combustion problems in a condo building. The nice thing about that one was that I got to critique the work other people had done without actually having to fix anything myself! Good work if you can get it.
This is a good thread, and people had some good ideas I hadn't thought of myself.
The bottom line on most combustion problems is that IF the equipment is installed the way it is specified in the installation manual, it will work in most cases. Comparing the way it was actually done with how it should have been done is a very powerfull approach to solving these problems.
01-14-2004, 03:04 PM #15
Sheesh, checked the chimney , fine... The only place I have not is the bend into the combustion air, which Im 99% sure is fine...
02-15-2004, 10:16 AM #16
After talking to the company (Empire) they determined the logset stand for the rear, is having probs pulling the flame away from the gen/therm on long vertical chimney runs.. They are sending a new rear logset..There are 50 of these in the same area, this is the only one having probs...
Replaced the entire guts on the thing, from another new one..Still doing it, of course.
[Edited by Chad711 on 02-15-2004 at 10:22 AM]
02-25-2004, 05:47 PM #17
Same ole chit, differant day. Had an Empire rep on the phone, our Empire wholesale guy, former service tech.
Replaced complete assy, burner plate, gas valve, ect. Same thing happens.
He plugged off the intake on the chimney, still nothing. With the generator disconnected from the gas valve, the voltage never goes past 125mv. When reconnected to the gas valve it immediatly drops to around 90mv.
PILOT t-couple never goes above 10 mv. Flame, hood etc was adjusted many differant ways to try and achieve a better mv rading. Nothing. Removed Generator and swept my turbo-torch across the generator a few times, it easily gets up past 400mv.
Distributer is stumped. Empire is stumped. Boss is pissed. Gotta love this job sometimes.
03-30-2004, 10:32 PM #18
Had to do the following to get this POS going.....
Installed a Different Pilot/Generator/Thermocouple assy, a Temco Assy, better hood setup, actually hits the generator and thermo unlike the Empire setup.
So, after I fab that up to align properly..The fun STILL isnt over.
The NEW Gas valve assemby, well it was bad. I had 30mv at the tcouple, pilot would not hold.
Called Boss, told him this NEW gas valve was bad. He doesnt believe me. Anyways, I gopt another one from a used fireplace while the new one is en route..
I Still hate fireplaces
But I got this sucker...
03-30-2004, 10:41 PM #19
Also, the local reps fix was a longer Generator. Also drill out the bracket to move the thermocouple up. Didnt work ...