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  1. #14
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    Duhhhhh. I need to pay attention.....
    God Bless the USA

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    Spritzed it with contact cleaner and ran it clockwise and counter-clockwise to the stops a few times and it seems to have done the trick so far. No funny readings from it in a day and a half.
    Low Pressure Forever!

    If you know heavy metal, you can work anywhere-Dave Andreson

    Anchors Aweigh my boys, Anchors Aweigh!
    Farewell to foreign shores, We sail at break of day. Through our last night on shore, Drink to the foam. Until we meet once more. Here's wishing you a happy voyage home!

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    we had one doing the same thing the other day...

    the control respose was not holding its value...

    we set it at 100 and then went back and looked at it later and it was back to 1.

    the pot cycle trick worked on that one...

    i would not buy a ucp1 on ebay...
    personnally i think that is the worst panel they made... it is very limited...

    ucp2 and up i like very much...

    Chiller Rob

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    we were still soldering these in the field only 5 yrs ago if the compressors didn't blow yet cuz of dirty coils on the first RTAA's. lol.

  5. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiller rob View Post
    we had one doing the same thing the other day...

    the control respose was not holding its value...

    we set it at 100 and then went back and looked at it later and it was back to 1.

    the pot cycle trick worked on that one...

    i would not buy a ucp1 on ebay...
    personnally i think that is the worst panel they made... it is very limited...

    ucp2 and up i like very much...

    Chiller Rob
    Attach it to a Tracer system and you would be amazed at what it can do. I agree, not much you can do from the panel, but for it's time, not a bad controller. Would you rather have a Classic Black?

  6. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChillerWisperer View Post
    That's why I was wondering if I should just go ahead and replace it while it is still available.
    Hey whisper I went to one doing the exact same thing to day.

    Ordered an new 1U3 board. As of this afternoon Trane had 5 in stock.

  7. #20
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    Opportunity is knocking

    MCS controls can custom make you a panel with a graphic display for far le$$ than you probably would think.
    All my leon freaked out!

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    how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiller mekanik View Post
    MCS controls can custom make you a panel with a graphic display for far le$$ than you probably would think.
    As far as I know Trane supports the stuff they sell for 20 years or more.

    Are you sure that the company that you speak of will do the same.

    I checked out their website and they have only been in business since 1994.
    The question I have is will they still be around and supporting their flavor of the week in 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triggerhappy View Post
    As far as I know Trane supports the stuff they sell for 20 years or more.

    Are you sure that the company that you speak of will do the same.

    I checked out their website and they have only been in business since 1994.
    The question I have is will they still be around and supporting their flavor of the week in 20 years.
    With everyone buying and selling everyone else nowadays, I wonder if anbody's gonna be around to support their stuff. I went to the MCS website after I found out what Trane wants for an Adaptaview and jci wants for the Optiview. I worked for the mfr for a long time, and I know what they pay for this stuff. The prices they charge are absolutely ridiculous. jci wants over twice what we used to install the Optiview retrofit for just to sell me the kit. The mfrs are shooting themselves in the foot because of what they charge, but they are under the impression that the consumer should feel honored to do business with them and be able to buy their product. That's a tragic mistake in any industry. The MCS stuff is looking a lot more attractive, it apparently works, and 1994 was 15 years ago. That's not just a flash in the pan.

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    I've worked on a few black box CVHEs that have been retrofitted with MCS controls and they work very well. They do some unorthodox things like cycle the condenser pump in the applications I saw, but overall it's a good setup with a lot of parameters in the display and the ability to log diagnostics which is a huge improvement over the black box. I was kind of wondering how much the retrofits were, now that I'm in a position to try and sell some. I'm also going to check into if they will let contractors install the controls after being trained on them. The company is just South of me in Fort Myers and I know they offer training classes, but they may just be for operating the controls and not installing them. I'll get back with some info.
    Low Pressure Forever!

    If you know heavy metal, you can work anywhere-Dave Andreson

    Anchors Aweigh my boys, Anchors Aweigh!
    Farewell to foreign shores, We sail at break of day. Through our last night on shore, Drink to the foam. Until we meet once more. Here's wishing you a happy voyage home!

  12. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by klove View Post
    With everyone buying and selling everyone else nowadays, I wonder if anbody's gonna be around to support their stuff. I went to the MCS website after I found out what Trane wants for an Adaptaview and jci wants for the Optiview. I worked for the mfr for a long time, and I know what they pay for this stuff. The prices they charge are absolutely ridiculous. jci wants over twice what we used to install the Optiview retrofit for just to sell me the kit. The mfrs are shooting themselves in the foot because of what they charge, but they are under the impression that the consumer should feel honored to do business with them and be able to buy their product. That's a tragic mistake in any industry. The MCS stuff is looking a lot more attractive, it apparently works, and 1994 was 15 years ago. That's not just a flash in the pan.
    I don't know about the price being so out of line.

    The Adaptiview retrofit is just a little bit more than a bearing inspection and regasket (if you replace the bearings and why wouldn't you if you are in that deep).

    I would not be upset to have to replace bearings every 10yrs. or so for total reliablity.

    So what is the big deal of upgrading the control system after 20yrs?( and some have gone much longer, I have one bench grinder still with original control panel vintage 1954 or so. I think it has the electronic LLR retrofit.)

    As for my question about the MCS stuff it may be the greatest thing since sliced bread but my question is can you still get parts for the stuff that they put out 5,10, or 15yrs ago. I don't know the answer to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triggerhappy View Post
    I don't know about the price being so out of line.

    The Adaptiview retrofit is just a little bit more than a bearing inspection and regasket (if you replace the bearings and why wouldn't you if you are in that deep).
    Please tell me you're kidding when you allude to the fact that there's not a problem when the simple changeout of a control panel on a package chiller costs more than unstacking/restacking a 3 stage Trane compressor plus parts cost. Please.............

    And it's not about the frequency of the job, it's the simple fact that this stuff just don't cost that much.

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