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    That's an excellent question.

    Primarily, this would be accomplished by erecting barriers to practice, such as licensing and regulation. That's a two-edeged sword, because it gets government into the profession, and creates a situation where commissions are established that begin to dictate so many requirements that you can find yourself being limited in what YOU can do.

    For example:

    In Pennsylvania, we had a wild west environment for many years in real estate. When it came time to suggest regulations, it was the large brokerages that did so. They essentially prevented newcomers from opening their own brokerages without going through many hoops. Then there is the consumer requirements flowing down from HUD. Some of it is good, but there is no requirement to use a professional at all. This created room for web developers to sell real estate advice without being in the practice of real estate, competing with agents on a cost basis that is impossible. "Bubba" on steroids.

    Perhaps a better approach is to form a regional/county professional association and pony up money for advertising that says, "make sure your air conditioning contractor is a member of blah-blah, ensuring quality and value for your air conditioning needs."
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    Originally posted by r404a
    When the economy really turns, our industry will really be hurting for new blood.
    I believe you're right, but I don't think the economy will recover within the next few years.

    Originally posted by Special Ed
    What I've noticed is that the trades in general aren't very popular with the young people.
    I agree, but when people can no longer borrow money to attend college there will be a profound sea change in the composition of our labor pool; people (young or otherwise) will flock to professions for which they can afford proper training. I however disagree that the trade is hurting for people at this time. There appear to be plenty of unemployed techs on this forum more experienced than I who can't get work.

    Originally posted by kls-ccc
    Until we can weed out the slackers and have a real profession where we can demand what we are worth we won't inspire truly great people into this field.
    Dissatisfied customers will do all the necessary weeding.

    Originally posted by kls-ccc
    I don't know that we have a shortage of techs, but have to many dealers, ie one man shops etc willing to go out and do it cheaper.
    When a customer pays an independent technician $25 per hour under the table to avoid paying an $85 per hour shop rate to a licensed, bonded and insured company it's a calculated risk. If that risk blows up in the customer's face he'll look for a reputable company to pick up the pieces.

    Originally posted by timebuilder
    Perhaps a better approach is to form a regional/county professional association and pony up money for advertising that says, "make sure your air conditioning contractor is a member of blah-blah, ensuring quality and value for your air conditioning needs."
    That's definitely better. Government tends to do things half as well for twice as much money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HVAC Student View Post
    Dissatisfied customers will do all the necessary weeding.

    When a customer pays an independent technician $25 per hour under the table to avoid paying an $85 per hour shop rate to a licensed, bonded and insured company it's a calculated risk. If that risk blows up in the customer's face he'll look for a reputable company to pick up the pieces.
    Not necessarily.

    The number of people that want warm or cold air/water at the lowest price still far outnumber the number of people that want it "done right".

    Convincing someone that their 120,000 btu furnace connected to 20x8 ductwork sucking through a 16 x 25 filter is done wrong is difficult when it appears to "work"... or, that you really do need a chimney liner in that exterior masonry chimney without any clay tiles after low bid guy did the work 10 years ago.

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    Originally posted by neophytes serendipity
    The number of people that want warm or cold air/water at the lowest price still far outnumber the number of people that want it "done right".
    That's a matter of salesmanship. If you fail to sell the customer something he needs that's your fault.* If this happens you should offer to speak with him again after a mutually agreed amount of time when you insist his small problem will become a big problem. If you can prove your case at that time you may be able to make a larger sale later.

    * I don't claim to be a great salesman myself; this has happened to me many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HVAC Student View Post
    That's a matter of salesmanship. If you fail to sell the customer something he needs that's your fault.* If this happens you should offer to speak with him again after a mutually agreed amount of time when you insist his small problem will become a big problem. If you can prove your case at that time you may be able to make a larger sale later.

    * I don't claim to be a great salesman myself; this has happened to me many times.
    Yup

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    Quote Originally Posted by neophytes serendipity View Post
    Not necessarily.

    The number of people that want warm or cold air/water at the lowest price still far outnumber the number of people that want it "done right".

    Convincing someone that their 120,000 btu furnace connected to 20x8 ductwork sucking through a 16 x 25 filter is done wrong is difficult when it appears to "work"... or, that you really do need a chimney liner in that exterior masonry chimney without any clay tiles after low bid guy did the work 10 years ago.
    AGREED!!!! Especially with the economy the way it is now.....
    Here is what I am finding in my area....The Big Guys (the high publicity, high overhead, well known and reputable places) are still doing OK, but they seem to be in a sort of no growth/stale, status quo type of situation...

    Next there are the guys that have been at it for a while, maybe 5 years or more, and have steady customers and are just managing to stay afloat, but have had to cut back to maybe a 2 man crew ...ie owner and helper to stay afloat... but are finding it harder than normal to stay busy...

    Finally there are the flying solo hacks that are cutting into everyone a little bit, they are the guys who have either been cut from the larger operations or were the low man on the pole at a smaller operations and figure they are going to make it on their own...I think a lot of these guys are installers who thought that they could do service so they are going to give it a shot...These are the bubba's with duct tape that are only working because of the desperate people who can't afford something better right now. The people out their hiring Bubba are doing it because they don't even have a job themselves and can't afford it..

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