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    convert to gas or not?

    Bought a 1950 ranch house in 2007 summer in MA. we are first time home owner. we heard the winter heating bill will be big, so we bought a pellet stove before the winter in 2007. it is ok that year. then next winter, pellets price went up a lot and keep that high until now. during last two winters, we mainlly rely on pellet stove and only turn on or oil water heating system occasionally for cold night.

    this winter, we may leave pellet stove off because pellets price is too high compare with oil and gas. Our existing oil boiler is more than 10 yrs old and noisy. Service guy told us some parts need to be replaced. we are thinking replace it with a new high efficiency oil boiler or just convert to gas. both need to invest thousands and keep oil may be a little cheaper (about $ less).

    what is your decision if you were me. lots of neigbours converted to gas and we can gain some space on basement. But what i am worry about is the gas price may over oil again. what is your info about price trend on gas and oil in long term.

    thanks,
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    No one can predict future prices of fossil fuels.

    What is your current price/gallon for oil?

    What is your current price for natural gas (in $$ per therm or $$ per ccf)?

    What is your price per ton of pellets?

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    Nancy Reagan's astrologer wouldn't return my calls, so here's my stab at it

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    Mrs. DuBois was not available either.

    We produce natural gas and propane here in the US. I believe this gives us better insulation against price spikes compared to the price of oil on the international markets. If you are going to buy oil, buy it now before Israel launches their air attack on the nuke locations in Iran. That will certainly raise the cost of oil.

    I have been planning a conversion to an HE gas boiler.
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    Gas is more convenient, and there are many high efficiency boilers out there for this application, but being that I live in MA. we pay an extraordinary higher price in this market for natural gas than most of the country because the majority if not all of our oil is shipped up here by tanker, instead of pipeline.

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    No matter what the price of gas, or the temp of winter...... look at high efficiency this way.

    Do I want low gas bills?

    Will I accept medium priced gas bills? [cheaper system]

    Will I keep High gas bills?

    Make sure you look at insulation and windows too. See that they are in good shape. You have been in your attic havent you?
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    You can get a really efficient oil burner. To me that makes more sense than redoing with natural gas.

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    If you go solar to the extent that you can, it will lessen the impact of a wrong decision on your part regarding fossil fuels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Mrs. DuBois was not available either.

    We produce natural gas and propane here in the US. I believe this gives us better insulation against price spikes compared to the price of oil on the international markets. If you are going to buy oil, buy it now before Israel launches their air attack on the nuke locations in Iran. That will certainly raise the cost of oil.

    I have been planning a conversion to an HE gas boiler.
    Gas can be very volatile - http://www.321energy.com/editorials/...ce+and+XNG.png
    General public's attitude towards our energy predicament: "I reject the reality of finite resource depletion and substitute it with my own; energy is infinite, we just need an alternative storage medium to run the cars on. The economy can grow indefinitely - we just need to "green" everything! Technology is energy! Peak what?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by amd View Post
    If the recent past predicts the near future, eyeballing a straight line through the nat gas data in the link, the price went from 3 to 8 from 1997 to 2007, so Price =~ [(8-3)/(2007-1997)]YR - 996.

    In 2012 the price should be 0.5(2012) - 996 = 10. But the variation on this from year to year is pretty high.

    In 2030, you've got 19 [+/- 1?].

    If you want more accuracy and have a spreadsheet on your computer, there's always
    http://www.google.com/search?client=...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    Check out the 3rd hit, Forecasting by Smoothing
    Seems like it will do it for you.

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    Anything is cheaper than no. 2 crude...
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