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    Quote Originally Posted by whec720 View Post
    Good points, Carnak, but you are leaving some things out. In December of 93, then leaders of the three nations involved, Mexico, Canada, and the United States finalized the NAFTA agreement. Those leaders were Salinas, Creitien, and Clinton. Creitien and Clinton were from politically more liberal political parties, yet they signed on. Infact, Creitien could of backed out of the deal entirely. He already had the free trade pact in affect from Reagan and Mulroney. He could of kept Mexico, for at least his country, out of the loop.
    NAFTA then went into affect January 1, 1994. So, as you can see, there is plenty of blame to be spread around in both Canada and the US, as to the liberal and conservative politics of each nation.
    The free trade is a juggernaut - steam roller.

    They already had it visualized as NAFTA when they were just getting the wheels rolling on the Canada - US deal.

    I agree you can blame both countries and both sides of the politcal Spectrum in each country.

    I made a comment about buying a Chinese made 286 computer in the USA and had to pay duty on it as it was not made in the USA. People seem to blame Clinton for Chinese goods and yet I was buying them in the US under Bush Sr's watch.

    I am doing a restaurant job right now and all the 'top end' supposedly 'cadallac' drainage products, by the 'leading North American Manufacturer' aka "Zurn" were all made in China

    At $500 per funnel floor drain, I think Zurn is making some serious coin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    lets see, my grandmother got off the boat from Scicily around 1915. I believe you are confused
    It is a bit of a stereo type I admit, but some truth to it.

    Not as much of a stretch as saying you are 'mobbed up' because you have sicilian heritage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnak View Post
    The free trade is a juggernaut - steam roller.

    They already had it visualized as NAFTA when they were just getting the wheels rolling on the Canada - US deal.

    I agree you can blame both countries and both sides of the politcal Spectrum in each country.
    Yep, I agree. The fix was in from the get go and still continues today.

    Politicians are being manipulated into globalization by global businessmen who care little for sovereign borders of any nation. Doesn't matter if the party in power at the time is liberal or conservative. NAFTA is proof of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whec720 View Post
    Everybody here has centralized heat.
    Speak for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnak View Post
    Speak for yourself.
    Oh yeah, that's right. You got me on that one.
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    Actually whec, back to the free trade juggernaut, I would say you could blame both sides of the spectrum, but Canada has its third place Party called the NDP - which is a socialist party -- they were opposed to it.

    Now this NDP and its forerunner have been around since the Depression. They do win provincial elections but they have never won the Federal Election yet.

    With a multi-party system, sometimes you get a minority government. The leader of the party with the 'most seats in congress' becomes the Prime Minister. But when the party with the most seats has less members elected than the remaining parties combined do, then not a lot gets done and you need the socialst party vote to get soemthing passed.

    Any legislation passed in a monority government is then influenced by the socialists.

    Can't say Canada has 'gone to hell in a hand basket' just yet because of the red horde. I suppose the potential exists. Similar situation in the UK as well.
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    as for globalization, back in 78, when I was working for USSteel in B'ham, they were building a state of the art steel mill in china so thye couls shut us down because of cheap labor.
    Dang whec, why do you think they invented sails? for global trade. Its not a new thing for Christ's sake. have you just now opened your eyes?

    NAFTA was started more or less as an answer to the European Union, to counter the buying power of well over 300 million people, before the Chinese Premier stated"its glorious to be rich" opening China and 1 billion people to the free market. Brazil, Russia and India have not been sitting on the sidelines either, Thats another 1.5 billion or more added to the free market. if you are so shallow as to believe we can or should control the worlds economies, then I don't know what to say.


    The bottom line is , How do we make money from the situation. If its manufacturing -fine. If its service- fine. If its R&D -fine. if its nothing more than scrapping and recycling-fine

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    i would agree manzini, NAFTA was to compete with European Union and it is a free market approach.

    Then you get the ultimate free market low prices, high profits and you lose jobs. It is a Catch 22 until the cost/standard of living everywhere in the world is equal. That is the only way it stablizes itself.

    Then everyone in China and India decides they do not want to ride donkies anymore and want cars, and start demanding every thing 'we demand'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnak View Post
    Speak for yourself.
    I thought you were living on an Island in the Caribe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnak View Post
    i would agree manzini, NAFTA was to compete with European Union and it is a free market approach.

    Then you get the ultimate free market and you lose jobs. Catch 22
    we got people here who are a little wet behind the ears, I'm glad you are not one of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    I thought you were living on an Island in the Caribe
    I am -- I don't need as furnace never mind a space heater
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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    we got people here who are a little wet behind the ears, I'm glad you are not one of them
    I had a theory that McDonalds was an ecomomic indicator.

    Go to McDonalds, order a combo, but make a slight substituion. Such as for breakfast, ask for a milk instead of coffee, or if you are a fat bastard ask for a second egg McMuffin.

    If they get the order straight without a problem, times must be tough because a competent person, whose native tongue was English was there taking your order.

    If they screw the order up, the economy is booming and Mickey D's was getting whoever the hell they could get with the wage they pay and probably have a sign outside advertising 'signing bonuses' for assistant managers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnak View Post
    I had a theory that McDonalds was an ecomomic indicator.

    Go to McDonalds, order a combo, but make a slight substituion. Such as for breakfast, ask for a milk instead of coffee, or if you are a fat bastard ask for a second egg McMuffin.

    If they get the order straight without a problem, times must be tough because a competent person, whose native tongue was English was there taking your order.

    If they screw the order up, the economy is booming and Mickey D's was getting whoever the hell they could get with the wage they pay.
    It's funny you picked Micky D's. I read an article just the other day were they used the price of a big mac to judge living standard around the world. NYC was used for a standard and a Big Mac cost about19 minutes of labor, in India it cost almost a weeks pay.

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