ReplyYou've probably already installed some, you don't even know about. Who knows what the manufactures are using these last few years?
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Counterfits. (was: Made in China, NO NOT SPORLAN TOO!!!)
I was doing a search for a Sporlan suction filter, my favorite brand that I used and trusted for over 25 years, and this is one of the links I found.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/20...ion_Valve.html
If things keep going this way, we will be making "Call Backs" 24/7.
Crap like this is enough to make you wanna give up and quit this trade.
Last edited by EugeneTheJeep; 08-17-2009 at 08:50 PM. Reason: Clarification
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You've probably already installed some, you don't even know about. Who knows what the manufactures are using these last few years?
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I bought a couple ALCO take-apart txv's the other day and was very surprised to see "made in china" stamped on them as well. I guess Emerson is outsourcing them now that they bought out ALCO.
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I guess they are all making a killing on selling inferior made parts at prices that are meant for quality made in the USA parts?
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Why do you think A-S/Trane R22 TXVs are dropping like flies?
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It disappoints me, the last thing the american economy needs is MORE stuff outsourced.
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The smart thing to do, is try and figure these type problems in your bids.Originally Posted by 69Stang
I don't think things are gonna change in the near future.
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sucks for people who had jobs in manufacturing
great for us
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Its not like they worry about infringing on trademarks over there, they have started their own company and called it The Hop-Sing Sporlan Company
The way we build has a greater impact on our comfort, energy consumption and IAQ than any HVAC system we install.
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Hangzhou/Sikelan has been copying Sporlan, Alco, and Parker products for years. Sporlan/Parker has no association with them, and I'm certain Alco/Emerson Flow Controls has no association with them either.I was doing a search for a Sporlan suction filter, my favorite brand that I used and trusted for over 25 years, and this is one of the links I found.
I had the occasion to meet with them during the China refrigeration show in Shanghai last year. They were interested in my opinion on well they were copying our products.
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Andy, are you saying that all Sporlan TXVs are still made in the USA? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I really want to know. I try to buy anything U.S. made that I can.
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I believe Andy is right, if you go to the http://www.parker.com/portal/site/PA...extfmt=default
and select China, it show no affiliation to Hangzhou/Sikelan. That makes me feel better, now how to get around all of the Chinese motors??
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I just found out that I was made in China
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ROTFLMAO!!!!
you believe he is right???
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All Sporlan products are currently manufactured in Washington, MO with the exception of our CDS electric epr valves made specifically for Carrier Transicold (they are made in Singapore for Transicold's Singapore manufactring plant), the ESX electric expansion valve (Parker Korea), and some silly stuff like ball valves, accumulators, and receivers that we picked up due to our Parker acquisition.
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I was hoping they were being made in China. I just got done changing a 5 ton valve out for the second time. What I really don't like is not knowing how many valves I now have in parts stock that are no better than the ones that fail. Working a week before failing really makes it nice
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And what was the likely cause of failure of the TEV, for the second time? It's quite easy to identify most failures that are truly TEV failures in the field. Most system problems that are attributed to TEV failures are not TEV failures.I was hoping they were being made in China. I just got done changing a 5 ton valve out for the second time. What I really don't like is not knowing how many valves I now have in parts stock that are no better than the ones that fail. Working a week before failing really makes it nice
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Another bad TEV that was in stock and failed for the same reason as the first. I am sure you are aware of the problem.
After recently identifying and correcting several TEV failure modes, testing has revealed
a new failure mode in certain R-22 Indoor Thermal Expansion Valves (TEVs),
built by Sporlan. The supplier of the ballast material allowed moisture to be introduced
into the sensor bulb circuit portion of the power element of the valves. Testing of the
affected valves revealed that over time, reaction to this moisture reduces the response to
temperature changes. Although failed valves may exhibit effects on system performance
similar to previously identified failure modes, the root cause is not related. This bulletin
will affect only R-22 Sporlan indoor TEVs that fail to maintain correct superheat control.
The action described in this bulletin is not being taken to address a safety concern.
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It is good that you had a basis to make your claim.
The date codes of these valves were established and communicated a long ago. Why you would have any of these valves in stock now is perplexing. The problem has been corrected quite some time ago.
The new ballast material was a Sporlan innovation, and made in America.
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What is even more perplexing is my DSO saying they may still have some in stock. I don't replace many so I don't know how long I have had it. All the problems we have had were on units installed last fall which worked on start up. This spring I started getting calls and find out there is the bulletin out dated January 15 that provided the information above.
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