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  1. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainblackii View Post
    I decided to go to school and get trained in HVAC. My intention was to start my own business. By the way, I live in Ohio. My class was 9 months long and I did this at night while working a full time job during the day... Whenever I mentioned starting my own business, my instructors would say...well you ought to get some experience working for someone else for a while.... or ...there is a lot to running your own company...
    I had seen license numbers on various vans around town, so I figured I would need a state license, but I was shocked when I found out I needed 5 yrs. verifiable experience with another contractor before I could even sit down to take the state license test... I can't believe that was never brought up at the beginning of the class. Now I am looking for a job to get my 5 yrs. in, but all I see is contractor's wanting experienced installers... does anyone hire entry level? Or does anyone hire part time workers?
    The school is not going to point out these issues, it is not their responsibility to, it is your responsibility to check into thses things before pursuing this line of work.

    I am not sure how much you can really learn in a 9 month program, and any hands on work you get in class is not the same as you would run into in the real world.

    A friend on mine sent his son to a construction school, it is a 4 year program, he does not get summers off, and he is learning different trades such as framing, hanging and finishing drywall, steel framing, laying block, roofing, finish carpentry, etc., he will have a pretty good idea of what he is doing, but still will not have any real world experience, I may put him to work and then after a few years he will probably be a well rounded knowledgable tradesman with the required knowledge and experience to get his contractors license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samejj View Post
    lot of us Ohio guys on here
    another one right here

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    Quote Originally Posted by fcs View Post
    Yes it gives you far more Job opportunities you can get then get your PE as well.
    2nd that. A guy that really worked in the field and has a degree and is of reasonable intelligence could do very, very well. I get so tired of arguing with degreed/approved engineers on hvac systems. I don't know it all and I have plenty to learn, but with my experience many times I might as well talk to the wall. Believe me in the after meetings I want to say "I TOLD YOU SO!" The degree/stamp carries a lot of weight, in which it should, but why does it add so much arrogance? Venting here a bit, as recently got out of a meeting with 4 engineers arguing with me on a discharge air temp sensor, so of course I am over-ruled. Who am I, oh only the controls guy that has been dealing with this kind of stuff for over 12 years, but no the engineers get their way so after 2 plus days of 4 guys tweaking finally to one engineers credit he admits they should've done it my way in the first place. Probably $4K in man hrs alone wasted, oh and that's just a small mistake!
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    If I had a dollar for every time an apprentice has said that they are going to start their own company... =/

  5. #18
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    I am in school right now to here in seattle, and all the jobs want at lwast 2 yrs ex. How do we get experience if no wants to hire us. Not even being a Navy Vet is helping me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caddy8581 View Post
    I am in school right now to here in seattle, and all the jobs want at lwast 2 yrs ex. How do we get experience if no wants to hire us. Not even being a Navy Vet is helping me.
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  7. #20
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    Same problem here! I went to school 2 years and have an hvac certification and a associate in occupational studies plus 6 years in the navy fixing electronics. I can't even get an interview.

  8. #21
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    i found a company that is going to give me a chance after i graduate.they have a "job shadow" deal that lets you follow along with a sr. tech for 2 weeks to see if any of the schooling paid off. after the 2 weeks you either get the job or start looking elsewhere,might be somthing worth asking about if your having trouble getting in with your local companies also you need to be willing to start at the bottom even with a degree especially now a days

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    Why don't all of you guys stop thinking about living the high-life as the CEO and humble yourself for a bit. Apply at all of the local shops for a "shop guy" position. Many places have a hard time keeping a good shop guy. Then in your interview you can explain your education and ambition of becoming a service tech/ installer/ whatever. You will probably make the same wage as a shop guy as a new service tech anyways, plus you can familiarize yourself with all of the equipment/ ductwork/ etc...

    Starting out at the bottom is the best way to learn everything you will need to become the owner someday.

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    a journey of 1000 miles begins with 1 step

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    a journey of 1000 miles begins with 1 step
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  12. #25
    Can i please get some advise on schools. I've been in installation for about 3 years now and of course would like to learn more and improve my options. I want to go to school, but dont know whats worth it or a waste of time. Should I get certified or would a diploma actually be better? does it really make a differance between a tech school or something else. I want the education but, but some employers dont really care about the piece of paper from some school they have never heard of.

    I enjoy this field and want to make the most of it. Please some advise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEN PETERS View Post
    Can i please get some advise on schools. I've been in installation for about 3 years now and of course would like to learn more and improve my options. I want to go to school, but don't know whats worth it or a waste of time. Should I get certified or would a diploma actually be better? does it really make a difference between a tech school or something else. I want the education but, but some employers don't really care about the piece of paper from some school they have never heard of.

    I enjoy this field and want to make the most of it. Please some advise?
    Where do you live? There are a lot of training programs out there. I was in school for five years and it was worth it. Consider going into an apprenticeship. You get paid to learn.
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