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  1. #144
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    did you just get those from there website???

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    Quote Originally Posted by houtonjr View Post
    did you just get those from there website???
    If you are talking to me, they are on a job I did a few years back that I was on today, they wanted to see pictures of jobs I did.

    I am not sure what a picture of a RTU will show them, on these 2 RTU's I had to cut the roof and install the curbs, then fly in the equipment with a crane.

    The other units on this job were just change outs with modification of the existing curbs with fillers and modifying the existing ductwork to accomodate the buildout.

    I prefer not to use existing curbs as they typically do not fit the new equipment like the OEM curbs do, but in this case the curbs were larger, so making the RTU's fit was not an issue.

    On the units we added, we used OEM curbs and had to make structural alterations to the bar joists and deck to accomodate the new RTU's.

  3. #146
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    Twilli find BW job....
    No Heat No Cool You need Action Fast

  4. #147
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    Quote Originally Posted by twilli3967 View Post
    Twilli find BW job....
    This job must have been done in Illinois or one of the other states that don't require licenses, permits or inspections.

    In Florida that job would have had multiple Red Tags.

  5. #148
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    Quote Originally Posted by twilli3967 View Post
    Twilli find BW job....
    Dude bwalley only bids the big jobs 1000000 or more
    You sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim.

  6. #149
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    In my contract/estimate I had a clause to the effect that any units with leaking valves or units that could not be fully pumped down would carry a freon surcharge.. that charge turned out to be $1688.
    The roofer is now refusing to pay it. He is charging the association the full amount but as he told me he wants to make some extra money (of my hard labor)
    Nice huh?

    I spoke with my lawyer, he advised me to bring the association up to speed, the assocation/management company, who is paying the Roofer, who is supposed to pay me as a sub, that I will be placing a Mechanics Lien on the property and all warranties are currently on hold till full payment is made.
    I don`t know what else to do.
    Sorry - yesterday was the deadline for all complaints.

  7. #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwalley View Post
    The problem with no inspections and lack of licensing ends up having contractors doing the job to even lower standards then if there was even the minimal oversight.

    The contractor here didn't even realize the job he was working on was considered a commercial job and that tennis shoes were not allowed on commercial jobs, he also mounted disconnects on the service panels of the condensing units.

    Some people meet or exceed the code, others don't even have to worry about it because no one checks on their work.

    The governments job is to protect the health and well being of the public, one way that is accomplished is through licensing of contractors and having minimum building code requirements, one reason why the United States doesn't have building and bridges collapsing on a regular basis like in other countries is because of building codes and the enforcement of them.

    Here are a couple of RTU, we had to cut the roof to install the curbs.

    raeely not worth posting but since you guys asked, I will post pictures of some of my other work.
    The government wants us to see them as their protector... you seem to have bought that lie pretty well. What they really want is the power to tell you what to do. And believe me, it has nothing to do with your well being. Rather it is nothing more or less than lust for power. So tell me:

    How much government interference is too much? What part(s) of your life would you rebel against the government if they tried to tell you what to do? And at what level would you march on Wash DC to stop the government from taking control of things you did not want them dictating to you?

    In relation to your comment about the project that started this thread: In the Constitution of the USA, it is clearly stated what the federal government does; and it says clearly that all other things are 'states rights'. So what Florida chooses to do has no bearing on what any of the other 49 states choose to do... and it goes the other way also: What the other 49 states choose has no bearing on Florida.

    My advise: Mr Bwalley: Just wait until you get a thorough screwing by a government agency, the case is totally wrong but the govt lawyers spin it so they win and you loose, and the beaurocrat uses it to build his/her career at your expense. I guarantee you will have a different attitude then.

    Does anyone have a story of being screwed by the government they would like to tell?
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  8. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by praha99 View Post
    In my contract/estimate I had a clause to the effect that any units with leaking valves or units that could not be fully pumped down would carry a freon surcharge.. that charge turned out to be $1688.
    The roofer is now refusing to pay it. He is charging the association the full amount but as he told me he wants to make some extra money (of my hard labor)
    Nice huh?

    I spoke with my lawyer, he advised me to bring the association up to speed, the assocation/management company, who is paying the Roofer, who is supposed to pay me as a sub, that I will be placing a Mechanics Lien on the property and all warranties are currently on hold till full payment is made.
    I don`t know what else to do.
    That's why I refuse to work as a sub for anyone 100%. I'll deal with the cust directly, or forget it. Is that $1688 all your behind by, or does he still owe other money?

    Do just like your doing and bring it to managements attention. Inform them, in a nicely written letter, that the roofer is refusing you payment on a satisfied contract, and that all manufacturers warranties and installation warranties are null and void if the contract isn't fulfilled. (If they still owe him money, this will turn the heat on if they think they have 20ish units on the roof without warranty coverage.) Place the mech's lean against the property, and lastly, go to the courthouse for the town this job was in and file in small claims against the roofer. If your contract is clear, and he violated it, your almost certain to win against him. Bump it up a bit, say to 2200 to cover travel expenses, loss of wages, and your costs to file. Ask that any rewarded monies be paid net in 30 days.

    It is normal for a primary GC to up the costs of his subs and make a few bucks from the customer, (simple markup), BUT, your bills to him are due in full. If he wants to mark it up and charge the cust more than your charges and make a few bucks, that's totally between him and the cust.


    Also: Thanks for the response to my Q about the trailers effectiveness a couple pages back. I also went and checked out the site listed on the side of it. Very nice. It gives me a coupe of idea's that I think I could make work for us.

    Thanks, and good luck against that jackass roofer. I'm sure you'll be fine.

    Later

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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    When the government issues minimum standards, that becomes the quality standard of the job... however;

    When the marketplace decides what the quality standards are, then the customer has to get involved. I like a customer that is involved... as an informed customer is my best customer.

    On the other hand, the ones that depend on the government think they will get the same quality regardless of the price... and they just try for the lowest bid. And we know what happens when one takes the low bid... they get what they pay for.

    Amen to that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by twilli3967 View Post
    Twilli find BW job....
    Hey Twillie, GasOilAir had found another one.

    Watch this one all the way, some of the stuff here in hysterical.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gasoilair View Post
    That's why I refuse to work as a sub for anyone 100%. I'll deal with the cust directly, or forget it. Is that $1688 all your behind by, or does he still owe other money?


    Makes sense...They owe me the full boat, also it`s 60 units without warranty now
    Ball will be in their court, faxes and certified letters go out tommorrow.
    Sorry - yesterday was the deadline for all complaints.

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    Twilli says nice deck
    No Heat No Cool You need Action Fast

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    [The governments job is to protect the health and well being of the public, one way that is accomplished is through licensing of contractors and having minimum building code requirements, one reason why the United States doesn't have building and bridges collapsing on a regular basis like in other countries is because of building codes and the enforcement of them.
    [/QUOTE]

    Last time I heard of a bridge collapsing it was in the USA,seems the gov inspections didn`t do to well in that case.
    I love overtime I just hate working for it.

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