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    Cold air return panning

    Has anyone else seen the new material on the shelfs insome home centers for air return panning that is made form a card bd. material and is coated with some type of vinly coating ?

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    Been around for years.
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    How many times must one fix something before it is fixed?

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    Really, I just seen this material for the first time last weekend of which I frequent this store regularly and was the firest time I've seen this material for panning

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    May be new to that store.

    Thermo pan has been around for a long time.
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    and is banned for use in the state of kentucky.
    "Better tell the sandman to stay away, because we're gonna be workin on this one all night."

    "Dude, you need more than 2 wires to a condenser to run a 2 stage heatpump."

    "Just get it done son."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacvegas View Post
    and is banned for use in the state of kentucky.
    Banned? What info do you have on that?

    Thanks

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    Should be banned everywhere IMO
    A good HVAC tech knows how, an educated HVAC tech knows why!

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    Consists of corrugated insulation faced with aluminum.

    Available in various widths, packed 25 to the box.

    No shop fabrication, user friendly - no cut hands.
    No 'oil canning' or duct noise to generate contractor callback.
    Air space in the corrugated medium provides positive R-value.
    Stapling as directed results in a plenum air seal tighter than sheet metal.
    Enviro-friendly; made from recycled products. Moisture treated against dampness.
    All popular joist size; pre-formed headers (for both regular joists and I-joists) also available.
    Will not sustain combustion.
    (ASTM E84-91a: Flame Spread 35/Smoke Developed Index 25)
    R-Value 5. R-Value 8, if doubled.

    - ICC Legacy Report 95-41.01
    - ICC Legacy Report 5398
    - Patented in USA and Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacvegas View Post
    and is banned for use in the state of kentucky.
    Do you have any links to the documents stating this?

    I've tore out miles of this stuff, it would make selling duct renovations a lot easier.
    Have you set up a Google alert for Carbon Monoxide yet?
    Click here to find out how.

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    Banned in Florida,years ago.

    However if properly sized ,and sealed,it can perform well,problem is it usually is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heaterman View Post
    Should be banned everywhere IMO
    2nd that..

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    Here is my take. Besides being an HVAC professional, I am a certifed fire and explosion investigator. Flame spread and fire resistance ratings are a big deal, not only for property loss but life loss issues as well. You only have to walk through a structure after a major fire to develope some really strong opinions on what is a good idea and what sucks (in this case, literally). Non-metallic panning is only one of a dozen current construction treads that are dangerous. Again IMO.
    A good HVAC tech knows how, an educated HVAC tech knows why!

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    eh, I can't find it right off the top of my head, and my Kentucky housing code is with my friend. My understanding from the inspectors, is that all return headers must be made out of metal/wood and be properly sealed. They also want "ductwork" which they consider panning to be, to be made out of metal.
    For whatever reason though, the thermopanning isn't allowed to create a return air plenum, yet drywall running up a wall is ok.

    It's not that thermopanning is "banned" specifically, it's just that it doesn't meet the kentucky housing code requirements for panning and headers.
    "Better tell the sandman to stay away, because we're gonna be workin on this one all night."

    "Dude, you need more than 2 wires to a condenser to run a 2 stage heatpump."

    "Just get it done son."

    Dad adjusted

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