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  1. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    Hitler was not an atheist.

    Roy
    It's my understanding that he was brought up Roman Catholic, some obituaries of the day pointed that out. Not knocking the RCC, just trying to get my own facts straight.
    (The wise men of modern thought) adore a god made of putty or of wax - plastic, effeminate, molluscous, with no masculine faculty about him, and no quality that entitles him to the respect of just and honest men, for a being who cannot be angry at wrongdoing is destitute of one of the essential virtues, and a moral Ruler who is not angry with the wicked, and who refuses to punish crime, is not divine. ---Spurgeon

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    Hitler was raised Catholic and stated that he loved the ceremonies and splender of the church.

    obviously, making pro-religious statements would win support from the Christian population and being blesssed by the Pope would help his cause.
    ever since Hitler was a kid he was good at knowing what to say to become a leader.

    the closest evidence we have that Hitler ever took religion seriously was that he believed he may have been ordained by God due to his rise to power and near death experiences.
    he thought that his party might be chosen to find the Holy Grail, which he searched for.
    (of course, it never happened)

    at some point , Hitler realized there were differences between a true Christian and what he considered to be a politicial savior.

    later in Hitler's career he still allowed his troops to participate in Christian ceremonies and even Muslim ceremonies for his Serbian soldiers, but at the same time described religion as a weakness that the future reich would no longer have.

    Hitler, Himmler, and others, basically created a religion that was to be in contrast to the Masonic beliefs and was based in a Nordic pagan system, similar to Thule, this was to be the "religion" of the elite SS.

    he eventually said something to the effect of, Christianity was the biggest hoax the Jews ever pulled on Europe.

    before Hitler shot himself he stated the he was surrendering himslef to the dark forces, what ever they were.
    (another statement that shows he wasn't a Christian)

    in his final radio address , played after he was dead, he calls for the complete destruction of the Jews.
    (completly ignoring the relationship between Jews and God)



    just on the basic facts we know about Hitler, it is an impossibility that Hitler was a Christian.
    there never was any debate about it.
    The confusion came in when modern propaganda historians tried to describe Hitler as the ultimate zenith of conservative politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    Here we go again the use of Hitler by someone who doesnt have a clue.

    Hitler was not an atheist.

    Roy
    While Hitler always claimed himself to be a Christian, and was raised as a Catholic, it doesn't take much to see that Hitler was also a liar who would have claimed to be a Jew if it would have benefited him.

    [quote] From Mein Kampf:
    • "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."[quote]While this could be a manifestation from Hitler's RCC teachings that Jews are not important to Christianity and that it was Jews that got Jesus killed, my guess would be that Hitler was just justifying what he was about to do by using the Catholic Church as his spring board. Obviously, Hitler was very wrong about the relationship that Christianity has with Jews, with Jesus Christ Himself having been a Jew.



















    • From a speech in 1922:
    • "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."



    Once again, Hitler obviously was not someone who was a follower of Jesus Christ's teachings. Nor did Hitler have much of a grasp of scripture.

    Still, there is no historical reference to Hitler having been an atheist. Most likely theology never really mattered to Hitler because he was so self obsorbed in his own role as a mortal that he would use any excuse to justify anything that he might do.

    So, just how honest was Hitler that anything he is quoted as having said or written can be taken for it's word? Let's consider this;

    It is important to be able to identify the difference between Hitler's public speeches and writing and what he really thought. A devious politician leading a nominally Christian country like 1930s Germany will say lots of Christian-sounding stuff to maintain popularity. Mein Kampf illustrates Hitler's views on propaganda:

    • "To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)


    As an example of Hitler's honesty, consider the following from a letter by Hitler to the French fascist Hervé and published in the Nazi Völkischer Beobachter on October 26, 1930 [Heiden, Der Fuehrer, p. 414] :

    • "I think I can assure you that there is no one in Germany who will not with all his heart approve any honest attempt at an improvement of relations between Germany and France. My own feelings force me to take the same attitude... The German people has the solemn intention of living in peace and friendship with all civilized nations and powers... And I regard the maintenance of peace in Europe as especially desirable and at the same time secured, if France and Germany, on the basis of equal sharing of natural human rights, arrive at a real inner understanding... The young Germany, that is led by me and that finds its expression in the National Socialist Movement, has only the most heartfelt desire for an understanding with other European nations."

    Who started World War II? Who ordered the murder of millions of citizens? Who authorized his chief physician to perform heinous experiments on living human beings?

    Yea; I think it's safe to say that Hitler was not a man of faith. This could be expressed then that Hitler was an atheist, but we really don't know how Hitler felt about God.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfstrike View Post
    Hitler was raised Catholic and stated that he loved the ceremonies and splender of the church.
    Thanks, Wolf...just wanted to make sure of what I had been told.
    (The wise men of modern thought) adore a god made of putty or of wax - plastic, effeminate, molluscous, with no masculine faculty about him, and no quality that entitles him to the respect of just and honest men, for a being who cannot be angry at wrongdoing is destitute of one of the essential virtues, and a moral Ruler who is not angry with the wicked, and who refuses to punish crime, is not divine. ---Spurgeon

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