ReplyConsumer report is not reliable representation of HVAC equipment.
Do a search you'll see CR was discussed before.
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at the supply house today and a ruud rep. is just happy as all get out
so i asked him whats up he said consumer report gave rheem/ruud best unit to buy in a recent study am shocked,floored, just never thought trane and carrier would be beat when i started 10-11yrs ago trane was the best thing out i havent worked on one in yrs but whats the deal are they better???have they done a 360 while the rest just stayed behind
Mastic its whats for dinner!
God Speed, Jim. We'll miss you - 2-26-23
Consumer report is not reliable representation of HVAC equipment.
Do a search you'll see CR was discussed before.
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Twilli likes it too....Twilli Rheem Top Contractor.
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Originally Posted by beenthere
I don't know about that, I think this time they got it right,of course
Mr. Bill....is a RUUD Top Contractor so he is a tad biased.
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Geez, I thought you were preferential to Coleman. I wondered how a guy that sells air conditioners for tents was part of the membership committee.
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This is how he got to be part of the membership committee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiMKnW3GYG0
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“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards" ~ Vernon Law
"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." ~ John Wooden
"When the teachers become unteachable we're all in trouble" ~ Mr. Bill
"Remember "Pro" is only a name, it's not always a mindset determined to do everything correctly" ~ Mr. Bill
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Yep, they rated the Amana Energy Command as #1 back in 1983 or 84 and we all know how they turned out!
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I really like their stuff. Ive put in a few of their mod furnaces in.
They had a two stage comp out a few years ago.
Trouble was the local supplier would not be competitive at all.
I tried to talk to them but they had a salesman that drove 2 hours each way trying to run things.Didnt work out.
They just lost the dealership to someone else. too late.
You sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim.
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Mr Bill! Long time no see...............how the heck are ya man?
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Yep, they rated the Amana Energy Command as #1 back in 1983 or 84 and we all know how they turned out!
Twilli says don't hate, even back then Lennox couldn't get a break. Underneath the Pulse and Complete Heat in the junk pile
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Twilli says MrBill been real busy and Twilli missed him too. MrBill is famous on H-talk.
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Twilli says MrBill needs to cut back on the work load.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xq6yZGlFm4
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Just to clarify....
Consumer reports doesn't rate central HVAC units like they do other things be it flooring/grills/vaccumes/ect.
However what Consumer Reports did do is create a graph that represents repairs done on 11 brands after surveying 32,550 readers who purchased systems between 2002 and 2008.
"Differences of less than 5 points aren't meaningful" and the graph broke down Rheem and Rudd as having 10%, Trane 11%, American Standard & Bryant 12%, Carrier, Lennox & Amana 13%, York at 14%, and Goodman & Heil at 16%.
In my opinion it's not an accurate representation of what product is good or bad. Mainly because they didn't survey 1,000 people who installed a York system, then 1,000 people who installed a Rheem system to get these numbers. They just surveyed 32,550 readers who installed a system. Meaning there could be 10 Rheem installs and 2,000 York installs. Percentage wise the more you install the higher likely hood there are going to be problems with the systems.
Also this survey isn't very clear about "repair". Did these people install a new system and have to call the HVAC company out again to adjust something because it wasn't working right and call it a repair? Did they just buy a house from a builder and call the HVAC company out for repair because it's not working right?
I'm glad consumer reports made an attempt at helping consumers purchase something as expensive as a HVAC system, but it's a really poor attempt in my opinion, and I'm not a professional just a consumer.
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Twilli says sureeeeeeeeee unless your brand is Number 1
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i agree wit jerros
"The things you own end up owning you. "
Tyler Durden
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that magazine is entertainment for toilet time
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Twilli says sure go ahead and hate.....Twilli be laughing to the bank....
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Doing great! Twilli brought me out of hibernation today, just been going to many directions in life. I really like the GC gig, it involves little money to operate and little work for the money you can make, it's the real deal. I wished I would have started doing this 30 years ago instead of this stressful business, but hey it's all good, it all puts food on the table. It really just amazes me how little stress is involved in GC business, especially if you have yourself some super good subs, they sure make life easier, but I can afford to pay them better that your average GC, because I don't totally depend on the GC business for a living, hey life's good.
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“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards" ~ Vernon Law
"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." ~ John Wooden
"When the teachers become unteachable we're all in trouble" ~ Mr. Bill
"Remember "Pro" is only a name, it's not always a mindset determined to do everything correctly" ~ Mr. Bill
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The exact quote that goes with the attached graph is below.
"The graph shows the percentage of units for each of the 11 brands that were ever repaired, based on the experiences of 32,550 readers who bought systems between 2002 and 2008. Differences of less than 5 points aren't meaningful. Units installed by builders broke down more often than owner-installed ones. Data was adjusted to eliminate differences linked solely to age and usage. Models within a brand can vary, and design or manufacture changes might affect future reliability. Still, choosing a brand with a good repair history can improve your odds of getting a reliable model. "
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So I shouldn't purchase the Coleman Premium Comfort System
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