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  1. #27106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonrunner View Post
    Just an update.. The interview felt good, lasted twice as long as they predicted, taking the RSES refrigeration online course was a big bonus for me (thanks for the suggestion, Doug), so now I'll know by end of work Monday.
    Youre more than welcome for the help bud. Ill keep my eyes and ears out for anyone looking for firsts. See, the whole reason 787 is making candidates jump through hoops while being chased by tigers while riding a unicycle is that the union was filling up with newbies who couldn't pass any of the ministry training programs. They're trying to weed out the stupid kids from the men that know what the benefits of working for a union company will bring them. It was hurting the industry bad. Because good customers kids were getting hired into entry level positions and they abused the heck out of it, were useless, or just didnt care. Like all technicians and tradesmen have told me over the years: Only things I need you to bring to the jobsite are a set of tools, and a good attitude. I can teach you the rest. In our trade obviously having some smarts is crucial. You dont need to be a nerd, but they need you to be able to work with numbers other than those on the menu at McDonalds. They have all sorts of problems with apprentices at the training center that don't read instructions and screw up machines and simulators. This is just basically why theyre doing this whole scanning and selection process now. Theyre tired of spoiled little bratts from my generation that are being forced by mommy and daddy to put the bong down and do something with their lives showing up and ruining stuff at the training center-because they are the ones that give our shops bad reputations, give our customers bad impressions, and end up on the memoriam wall as 3 year members.

    I remember clearly saying loud enough to those in the lunch room when we were eating-that the test will be about mechanical advantage-fulcrums, levers, etc. But more about your ability to read. They're going to ask stupid questions like "If the sky is blue and you have a low side PSIG of 30 and are running R-22, what temperature is your refrigerant?" They're asking you to look at a PT chart. Sure, they want the right answer, but its more to see if you read the question. Rumor mill has it that quite a few guys that go in do not move ahead as they fail to follow simple instructions on filling out their names and information on the application packages and tests. And that this may even be causing a first year shortage.

    I mean, the test intake before yours that I saw, some applicant was walking around the training hall taking selfies of himself in the classrooms. I wasn't even polite when I asked him to move LOL.

    I did have a good idea for you though. Try finding a company that does server room units. With your IT background a company might be inclined to take you on as you will know your way around a server room.
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  2. #27107
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    Good morning, Bret and everyone!
    [Avatar photo from a Florida training accident. Everyone walked away.]
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  3. #27108
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayD8630 View Post
    Youre more than welcome for the help bud. Ill keep my eyes and ears out for anyone looking for firsts. See, the whole reason 787 is making candidates jump through hoops while being chased by tigers while riding a unicycle is that the union was filling up with newbies who couldn't pass any of the ministry training programs. They're trying to weed out the stupid kids from the men that know what the benefits of working for a union company will bring them. It was hurting the industry bad. Because good customers kids were getting hired into entry level positions and they abused the heck out of it, were useless, or just didnt care. Like all technicians and tradesmen have told me over the years: Only things I need you to bring to the jobsite are a set of tools, and a good attitude. I can teach you the rest. In our trade obviously having some smarts is crucial. You dont need to be a nerd, but they need you to be able to work with numbers other than those on the menu at McDonalds. They have all sorts of problems with apprentices at the training center that don't read instructions and screw up machines and simulators. This is just basically why theyre doing this whole scanning and selection process now. Theyre tired of spoiled little bratts from my generation that are being forced by mommy and daddy to put the bong down and do something with their lives showing up and ruining stuff at the training center-because they are the ones that give our shops bad reputations, give our customers bad impressions, and end up on the memoriam wall as 3 year members.

    I remember clearly saying loud enough to those in the lunch room when we were eating-that the test will be about mechanical advantage-fulcrums, levers, etc. But more about your ability to read. They're going to ask stupid questions like "If the sky is blue and you have a low side PSIG of 30 and are running R-22, what temperature is your refrigerant?" They're asking you to look at a PT chart. Sure, they want the right answer, but its more to see if you read the question. Rumor mill has it that quite a few guys that go in do not move ahead as they fail to follow simple instructions on filling out their names and information on the application packages and tests. And that this may even be causing a first year shortage.

    I mean, the test intake before yours that I saw, some applicant was walking around the training hall taking selfies of himself in the classrooms. I wasn't even polite when I asked him to move LOL.

    I did have a good idea for you though. Try finding a company that does server room units. With your IT background a company might be inclined to take you on as you will know your way around a server room.
    Wow......Ray, you're gonna do well.
    This is the bemoaning that is going on with the 'owners' these days and it's supporting to hear it from a 'committed' tech from your generation. The reality is with management is not only do these types of techs kill the profitability in a company, but they also are on the negative side of paying their own way both on a day to day basis as well as grenaded equipment and subsequent lawsuits for spoiled product/liabilities. Thus we don't hire young people and prefer to hire fully trained techs.

    I've also had a number of issues with techs on the bong and have implemented a job description that the tech signs off on drug tests that they agree to and sign. Insurance companies are setting up to force us because of the damage claims and WCB is also favouring that process as well. The oil-patch has it as almost mandatory......he11, a huge addition to one's income there is selling the other workers your pi$$ to guys to load in convoluted appliances to pass the drug tests!

    It's a weird work force out there Ray for old fossils like me and extremely hard to deal with and keep from going bankrupt whilst 'invigorating' the techs to just contribute a bit to the health of the company that supports them.......and of course their career which is the lynch pin to the entire rest of their life.....that they in fact see only as an annoyance in their important personal life.
    That being said, it's very refreshing Ray to see and hear your POV.......as I said, you're gonna be a helluva force in this trade before too long......way to go.
    "The quality you deserve is not expensive---it's priceless"

  4. #27109
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    Quote Originally Posted by fcs View Post
    What you planting ?
    well Bret I wish you well with the therapy and hope it goes well ! I'll be planting tomatoes and peppers 1st. Plan on about 400 tomatoes then about 200 peppers. Sweet & mild this year. We had a bumper crop last year and this year I'll have help from the grandkids thank goodness. I put up so much last year I had to buy 2 chest freezers. Sweet corn was 1 acre and 1 acre of beans plus okra. This year it'll be less corn and more melons and cucumbers in the 2 acre plus a few rows beans..guess with the extra mouths to feed all this will be eaten. They want to raise some chickens and a few head of cattle and maybe a pig or 2 but we'll see how ambitious they get.
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  5. #27110
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    Good morning, Bret and everyone!
    [Avatar photo from a Florida training accident. Everyone walked away.]
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  6. #27111
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    'Morning Bret and everyone. Thanks for the tip and the clarification, Ray. The only times I've had real problems with coworkers was when they either drank or toked on the job and did stupid stuff because of that (like starting forest fires or flipping vehicles with expensive equipment and passengers, myself included, in them). In situations where it's a real problem, I don't mind a regular testing regimen, at all - makes it more likely for me to come home in 1 piece every day I've also seen the relatives of good clients' bigwigs get taken on by shops, so I'm glad the union is cracking down on that and instituting a merit-based system. Speaking of which, today we find out if I made the cut. Server room work would be interesting and I've been to 151 Front once or twice (carrying stuff, pulling cabling and basic connectivity testing, but they don't have to know that ), so that will definitely be one area I'll focus on.

  7. #27112
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    Quote Originally Posted by A/C guy's chick View Post
    well Bret I wish you well with the therapy and hope it goes well ! I'll be planting tomatoes and peppers 1st. Plan on about 400 tomatoes then about 200 peppers. Sweet & mild this year. We had a bumper crop last year and this year I'll have help from the grandkids thank goodness. I put up so much last year I had to buy 2 chest freezers. Sweet corn was 1 acre and 1 acre of beans plus okra. This year it'll be less corn and more melons and cucumbers in the 2 acre plus a few rows beans..guess with the extra mouths to feed all this will be eaten. They want to raise some chickens and a few head of cattle and maybe a pig or 2 but we'll see how ambitious they get.
    Boy Karen would love to be there she Loves Fresh for the Garden ( but she has a Brown thumb so no garden)
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    on the go from 9 a till 7 p no naps might like a BIGGY BUT FOR ME IT IS
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  9. #27114
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    Good to hear you're getting more energy to make more trouble, Bret No e-mails from the union, which means I didn't make the cut. Got a few other options out there, will keep you gents posted.

  10. #27115
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    Good morning, Bret and everyone!

    Keep working on that feeling of vitality, Bret!!!
    [Avatar photo from a Florida training accident. Everyone walked away.]
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  11. #27116
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    'Morning Bret and everyone

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    Morning
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonrunner View Post
    Good to hear you're getting more energy to make more trouble, Bret No e-mails from the union, which means I didn't make the cut. Got a few other options out there, will keep you gents posted.
    Sorry to hear that moon

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