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    Good morning, Bret and everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    I'm sorry to hear that the American public school teacher's union attitude has infected Canada. You have my sympathies.

    Good morning, Bret and everyone.
    Not even Art. You see by comparison, I make as much as a teacher with about 5 years experience in the States. Im primarily a maintenance/small repairs/labour guy right now. I just hit the 3rd year of being in field last month.

    Teachers teaching full time here in Ontario, with lets say the same experience as the demographic I mentioned above (5 years), make less than double what their counterpart in the States does. They may be making 40-50k a year with a masters in the States. Here, they are probably making 80k a year.

    From the Globe and Mail dated Dec 5/12:

    Annual starting salary for a new teacher at lowest and highest pay rates: $45,709, $55,404

    Salary for a teacher with more than 10 years of service at the lowest and highest pay rates: $76,021, $94,707
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    They can go on all they want about how our kids are better and brighter blah blah blah. But as a graduate of the Ontario high schools, I had teachers that barely spoke English that I could not understand. Teachers that were racist and while empowering students of "visible minorities" put down white kids like myself and the 10 other white kids in the school.

    I did have some teachers that really cared. Some that kept relighting the pilot no matter how bad the thermocouple got. After having roughly 40 teachers through my whole time in the school system I can name them BOTH.

    Truth is in all the high schools I went to (I transferred almost every year because I really needed one special physics course that was only offered at a few schools but kept getting cancelled due to lack of interest) you would see about 4 classrooms full of grade 9 students (so about 60-80). Our graduating class was only about 20-30?

    I know the old saying you can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink. However, what if we only changed half the filters, let pulleys wear themselves down to the motor shafts, Didnt bother taking motors and shafts apart for bearings. What if we didnt treat any of the water in the chillers or boilers and washed coils with a squirt gun? And then decided to hold walk outs demanding that we get paid more right on the days where a blizzard was coming, or on the hottest day of the heat wave. We could say we dont get paid enough to deal with angry customers who give us a hard time because the part had to travel half way across the US and its our fault that it could only take 10 days to get there. We dont get paid enough to risk neck and limb when were laddering up and its starting to sprinkle.

    IMO. All these gruppy Ontario teachers need to step down. I have friends who went to teachers college who have literally sat there and debated working their shift at Walmart or taking a two day substitution job. They dont want to do it for the money, they want to do it because they want to teach. Then teachers say "Oh we dont have the right materials to teach with. Our textbooks are the 1979 editions." Well, when they they basically pay you 10k a month to say "Simmer down... Bueller, Bueller....," there really isnt much left to work with is there?

    Then they say the kids are unteachable which yeah okay there are a few that are just...lost. But when they cut programs likes trades and arts and music what did they expect would happen? That kids who were born tradesmen who were rebuilding their bikes at 13 can just sit through Mathematics for Accountants? Yah...thats where my downfall started. But they cant have trades programs because too many kids will use tools to assault other students. Really? Because the only thing that ever happened to me was a guy broke my 3 ring binder with a hammer.

    I think that they should be paying teachers in the States more. For they do the same job with less pay. And schools from what I have seen arent even a 1/4th as dangerous here as they are there. But the teachers here? Until a student can come out of the public system and say that each teacher taught them what they need to know and they truely gave a damn about their students and they got to experience everything from computers to the trades to the arts I say **** 'em.

    Okay soap box is free. Doug Ive used a sniffer in a resi geo handler. Place was cool and humid-thought there might be a leak on the "freon" side. But I have installed heat pumps and have done service on process chillers.
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    Need the soap box back for a sec. This is what me and Doug are talking about:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle6015968/
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayD8630 View Post
    Need the soap box back for a sec. This is what me and Doug are talking about:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle6015968/
    Hey Ray........you need to get your lazy a$$ back out there and 'contribute a little more' to the 'victims' in society......the Attawapiskat band needs another $110M of your money to......well.....to 'secretly and with impunity, spend on their people' as they see fit. Don't you dare ask where your tax dollars went either.....
    Ray, as I said....it'll be up to you and my daughter's generation to 'treat everybody equal' which means EVERYONE puts their shoulder to the wheel and CONTRIBUTES BEFORE they can take ANYTHING from the 'social bank account'.....or you'll be living in teepees and hunting squirrels for food. Too many 'marginalized people' doing nothing and taking everything!!!!
    http://ca.reuters.com/article/domest...BrandChannel=0
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    'Morning Bret and everyone! I agree with you Doug.. The reason many Commie countries became industrial powerhouses after being feudal agricultural backwaters for millennia was that everybody pitched in and worked hard to build them up. Those that didn't, got sent to gulags. Most neo-leftists don't know their history, so their philosophy is "do nothing and let the government take care of you"... Well, guess what.. If nobody works hard, nobody will be taken care of.

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    You know......that gulag thing might be an option......
    I was opting just for the rule that "if you didn't pay any taxes (contribute to society) then you don't get to vote" philosophy.....but the gulag thing's looking MUCH more effective.....two fold.....they then are not only FORCED to contribute, but are now an asset to society, rather than a liability.....and sucking the life out of society.....
    "The quality you deserve is not expensive---it's priceless"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    Hey Ray........you need to get your lazy a$$ back out there and 'contribute a little more' to the 'victims' in society......the Attawapiskat band needs another $110M of your money to......well.....to 'secretly and with impunity, spend on their people' as they see fit. Don't you dare ask where your tax dollars went either.....
    Ray, as I said....it'll be up to you and my daughter's generation to 'treat everybody equal' which means EVERYONE puts their shoulder to the wheel and CONTRIBUTES BEFORE they can take ANYTHING from the 'social bank account'.....or you'll be living in teepees and hunting squirrels for food. Too many 'marginalized people' doing nothing and taking everything!!!!
    http://ca.reuters.com/article/domest...BrandChannel=0
    Really? What happened to the money they got from the chop shops on the reserves?

    The social bank accounts gone already. Even before the recession they were saying that with the amount of baby boomers out numbering us Gen Y's that the CPP will be sucked dry by the time Im ready to hang up the gauges. But then we bring whole families over from other countries, give them healthcare as refugees that exceeds that covered by Provincial programs, give them housing allowances and EI or welfare or even pensions because they had to bring Grandma and Grandpa with them.

    Then factor in the obesity plague and the increased resulting strain on our health care system when the butterballs hit 40-50ish and voila.

    Canada needs to grow a set. But as long as there are left wing parties out there offering "The easy way," nothing will change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayD8630 View Post
    Really? What happened to the money they got from the chop shops on the reserves?

    The social bank accounts gone already. Even before the recession they were saying that with the amount of baby boomers out numbering us Gen Y's that the CPP will be sucked dry by the time Im ready to hang up the gauges. But then we bring whole families over from other countries, give them healthcare as refugees that exceeds that covered by Provincial programs, give them housing allowances and EI or welfare or even pensions because they had to bring Grandma and Grandpa with them.

    Then factor in the obesity plague and the increased resulting strain on our health care system when the butterballs hit 40-50ish and voila.

    Canada needs to grow a set. But as long as there are left wing parties out there offering "The easy way," nothing will change.
    Ray......I would adopt you as my son in a heartbeat.....
    With you and my daughters......there will be a bright future for Canada.....
    Allow natural selection and mother nature to reign......

    A little personal story..... I ran into a pair of Dutch couples on the top of Cobble Hill on my Sat. mtn bike ride (were I'm supposed to be right now) and they recognized me as 'that guy with the maps of the mountain' asked me if I would give them my name/phone/addy so they could contact me later to come over and pick up maps. I agreed and the one feisty old broad started fumbling for a pen and paper in her fanny pack. She continued to complain and cuss about all she had was a $2 gift certificate from Tim Hortons to write on. After about 3 minutes of this whining, I said "well at least you have enough to buy a coffee and a donut at Timmy's". She barked back to me that she gave all her investment money to her investment advisor and all she got back was this gift certificate. I balked and said "well you must of got some investment advice and interest too". She barked back at me that she gave in $450,000 to work with and that's all she got....I again reminded her she could at least get the coffee and donut. She then proceeded to dress me down that I had NO idea how hard she worked for that money.....

    That was when I snapped.....
    I said "Lady you just crossed a line with me. Presently company excluded of course since your up here hiking for you own health, your generation is the most lazy, obese and unhealthy generation yet, you've racked up the highest debt this country has EVER seen from allowing the highest deficit governments while you banked up the most gigantic personal wealth savings accounts that sit stagnated from doing the country any good and then expect me to give you a seniors discount on everything from my business to ferries, hair cuts, taxes and personal purchases of all kinds whilst supplying your state of the art medical every week to pristine roadways while I'm paying off your debt AND educating my kids with your 'educational' legacy of overpaid princess teachers all while working 80-90 hours a week on those same roadways that your plugging up going to your doctor's appointment or bridge club game and then slamming me for speeding to get 'the job/tax done' for you to then spend.........so lady DON"T you %@$^ing tell me how $%!%ing hard you !$^!ing worked......
    She was spitting fire out of every orifice by this point and asked me, "yah if that's the case then where are may parents in this....do they come up here hiking too"? I replied no......"why not she barked back". I replied that both my parents died about 10 years earlier than they should have because of wartime service and my Dad was bobbing around the North Atlantic breathing asbestos dust from every shallow depth charge run and as a matter of fact, his army buddy was in Holland on the launch of liberation of Holland as well as my Dad was on a support destroyer in the Channel at that push into Holland........and for 5 years longer...

    The old girl calmed RIGHT down and humbly said...." we are very, very grateful for what the Canadians did for us Dutch"......
    Once in a while we all need to take inventory and see that when we close down the day with an attitude of gratitude.....did we put MORE into this world today than we TOOK out of it......or there will be noting left for tomorrow....
    "The quality you deserve is not expensive---it's priceless"

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    Good morning, Bret and everyone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    You know......that gulag thing might be an option......
    I was opting just for the rule that "if you didn't pay any taxes (contribute to society) then you don't get to vote" philosophy.....but the gulag thing's looking MUCH more effective.....two fold.....they then are not only FORCED to contribute, but are now an asset to society, rather than a liability.....and sucking the life out of society.....
    'Evening Bret and everyone!

    There was the stick but also the carrot.. The youth went to volunteer work camps in droves - they were a social thing too, like band camp but doing something productive like building roads, condo complexes, dams etc etc etc Today's hipster crowd would run cryin' home to momma on the first compound fracture of the eyelash

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    Early on here in the US, the people who could vote were the property owners, because (to quote Joe Biden) THEY were the ones who had "skin in the game."

    The founders also warned against having a situation where voters could vote to get more money from the government, which is exactly what happened this past November.
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    Good morning, Bret and everyone!
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    'Morning Bret and everyone.

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