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  1. #24571
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    Good morning, Bret and everyone.

    Made it through a day of high heat. Some of the local roads buckled, and that screwed up the ride home.
    [Avatar photo from a Florida training accident. Everyone walked away.]
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    'Morning Bret and everyone. Quick update: Test results pushed up to next week. They don't realize that most of the students have access to torches and pitchforks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonrunner View Post
    'Morning Bret and everyone. Quick update: Test results pushed up to next week. They don't realize that most of the students have access to torches and pitchforks
    Do you have a course outline from that course you took Ilija?
    What was the length of time it ran?
    "The quality you deserve is not expensive---it's priceless"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    Do you have a course outline from that course you took Ilija?
    What was the length of time it ran?
    The course was just under 5 months, G3/G2 coop (alternating weeks, full-time, school and coop).

    G3 modules: Safety, Tools, Gas/propane properties/handling, Codebook-fu [big one], Electrical, Manuals/specs/schematics, Customer Service, Piping/tubing, Appliances

    G2 modules: Piping practices, Electricity, Controls [big one], Building as a system, Domestic & non-vented appliances, Meters/regs/relief valves, Absorption systems, Conversions (not sure why they put it in there as it's only practical for big burners), Water heaters/combos, FWA heating, Hydronics, Space heating & decorative appliances, Venting practices, Forced Air Add-ons (got into a bit of refrigeration there, so my independent reading came in useful ), Air handling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonrunner View Post
    'Afternoon Bret. The process never ends Finished school, wrote the exam last Friday, tomorrow I found out if I passed (reasonably confident that I did, but we'll know for sure in under 24hrs).

    Been pounding the pavement, so far, 10 shops specializing in I-C-I stuff.. One would have hired me as a helper but the wait for 5yr apprenticeship is 2 years and the hours don't count. Gonna grab a couple more leads today and hit the pavement again tomorrow, followups next week.

    On a good note I got some weekend work at a tire shop just now (needed a pair for the ol' beater). Don't mind making a few extra bucks and keeping my hands dirty - nothing worse than walking into a shop with squeeky clean hands
    Well did you Pass ??
    hope you had luck with the leads
    If you help others then you are a Success

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    morning all
    If you help others then you are a Success

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    Quote Originally Posted by fcs View Post
    Well did you Pass ??
    hope you had luck with the leads
    Thanks Bret. The school is running a little late with grading our exams, so the results will be out next week. Only got a couple for today and I'm scheduled to be off work, so I'll be leaving in a few minutes (thus avoiding the worst of the Toronto gridlock).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonrunner View Post
    And a good morning from me.. Today's gonna get up to 34 degrees, the longer it keeps up the more desperate the shops will be
    Was 40 something with the humidex. I was working in it.

    3 is your new favourite number. Because all it takes is 3 hot days for the shops to get bombarded. When they start doing those reports on the news about the weather with kids running in sprinklers and dogs panting and doctors warning people about the heat and shots of fans and air conditioning aisles at crappy tire looking like a third world country. 3 days into a heat wave I got my break.

    I found the list. If I find time ill scan it and send it off to you. Its amazing what you find when you clean the dog house out on the service truck.

    And Moon not to to burst your bubble but the TSSA are horrible to deal with. I did a test and one month in I asked them for my grades (this was way back in March) and after one week I got a one line reply saying "The tests havent been marked yet for your writing (there was like 20 people there). No payments havent been processed.

    This was after they told me I needed a letter of reference to get a G3 about a year ago.
    Last edited by RayD8630; 06-22-2012 at 09:41 PM. Reason: Cant type
    Get money, get paid.

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    The rule of thumb that I was taught was 3 days of 90 highs and 70 lows and you're getting slammed.

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    Thanks Ray. Fortunately, Hi Mark is the only institution allowed to administer and grade the exams, so they do it in-house, but then they never had scandals with profs giving their students exams in advance and whatnot like the big colleges. G3 was marked in under a week, so I figure Monday will be good.

    Thanks for the confirmation JPS. Unfortunately, the temps already went down, but the summer's just starting. On a good note, I'm not starving and will be back to fulltime hours (with a bit of flex) next week, so getting signed on will even be a minor pay cut for about a year but it will pay off after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    That shop was lying to you.....In Canada you MUST either be an indentured apprentice or a TQ'd journeman.......you CANNOT be used/worked as a labourer and you MUST be banking your hours as an apprentice.....don't let the SOB BS you....
    Did you hear back from Steve at all in Alberta?
    Unfortunately Moon is right. A lot of non-union shops here have guys with just a helpers (G3) or small appliance (G2) gas license working in the field. Especially so in residential. Hence why getting into the union was a blessing for me.

    When I came back to here from NB I got into a residential shop. I mainly went on resi split installs because of my fridgie schooling. It paid the bills and kept me in the industry. But the problem was that there was only one guy who worked in the sales department who had a Red Seal. I was pushing to get him to take me on as an apprentice but then the G2 guy I was riding with wanted to get his. Naturally he took him on since he had senority and was told when he gets his Red Seal, ill get my chance. You can get a G2 for $2000 and a few months of night school. At that point in my life I had a one year pre-trade program and was a licensed apprentice in NB that had passed the Provincial block one exam (10 month $12000 investment).

    In Ontario they do have whats called the 313D. Its a 2 and a half year residential apprenticeship (you're allowed to service systems up to 5 tons). I talked to a friend of mine from when I worked there and they're now trying to get the guys there at least that. I don't think they will be able to put out 313A's though (313A is a play on 7313 which is the NOC for our trade). 313D is a Provincial only trade where as 313A is the Ontario name for the Red Seal (anything and all).

    The shops where Moon and I live CAN hire guys as helpers and labour. They can also work these guys without putting hours towards any kind of apprenticeship. They are just "gas fitters."

    This is why the Union was great. I was able to transfer over my training and pick up where I left off. Fortunately for me as well, I did it at the right time. Apparently now they are not letting apprentices transfer over from any Province anymore. They all have to start out at basic. Or so I heard this week. Then again the rumor mill is always working around here.
    Get money, get paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayD8630 View Post
    Unfortunately Moon is right. A lot of non-union shops here have guys with just a helpers (G3) or small appliance (G2) gas license working in the field. Especially so in residential. Hence why getting into the union was a blessing for me.

    When I came back to here from NB I got into a residential shop. I mainly went on resi split installs because of my fridgie schooling. It paid the bills and kept me in the industry. But the problem was that there was only one guy who worked in the sales department who had a Red Seal. I was pushing to get him to take me on as an apprentice but then the G2 guy I was riding with wanted to get his. Naturally he took him on since he had senority and was told when he gets his Red Seal, ill get my chance. You can get a G2 for $2000 and a few months of night school. At that point in my life I had a one year pre-trade program and was a licensed apprentice in NB that had passed the Provincial block one exam (10 month $12000 investment).

    In Ontario they do have whats called the 313D. Its a 2 and a half year residential apprenticeship (you're allowed to service systems up to 5 tons). I talked to a friend of mine from when I worked there and they're now trying to get the guys there at least that. I don't think they will be able to put out 313A's though (313A is a play on 7313 which is the NOC for our trade). 313D is a Provincial only trade where as 313A is the Ontario name for the Red Seal (anything and all).

    The shops where Moon and I live CAN hire guys as helpers and labour. They can also work these guys without putting hours towards any kind of apprenticeship. They are just "gas fitters."

    This is why the Union was great. I was able to transfer over my training and pick up where I left off. Fortunately for me as well, I did it at the right time. Apparently now they are not letting apprentices transfer over from any Province anymore. They all have to start out at basic. Or so I heard this week. Then again the rumor mill is always working around here.
    God, Ont. is starting to get as stupid and protective as kebec ah!?
    You guys are nuts if you don't dig into opportunities in Alberta.....the opportunities and money are both way too high..
    "The quality you deserve is not expensive---it's priceless"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    God, Ont. is starting to get as stupid and protective as kebec ah!?
    You guys are nuts if you don't dig into opportunities in Alberta.....the opportunities and money are both way too high..
    Thought about it. Took a wrong turn at Albuquerque I guess.
    Get money, get paid.

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