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  1. #15757
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    Und guten morgen zu alle. Have a full day planned in the yard, should be a repeat of the beautiful saturday. Wondering when I should wake the neighbors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavymetaldad View Post
    Not positive. A cooler is a refrigerant flooded vessel, and between the impeller and the refrigerant are usually baffles to minimize liquid carry over into the impeller eye. Carryover etches the wheel, kinda like sand blasting. This one wasn't a victim of that. Neither were this one, brand new, hand grenaded before machine came up to speed, and took out the second wheel and the casting These are approx. 4' in diameter, 40k apiece, and difficult to obtain (8 months) due to age of machine and the fact this country doesn't build anything anymore.


    WTF do you do while waiting for parts?

    Obviously, the machine cannot run. With an 8 month wait, what happens to the process that the machine was designed for? Is there a 'back-up' machine or a portable type that can be brought in or is customer just S.O.L?

    My customers scream when something can't be brought in within a weeks time. I can't imagine what a manager would say if I told them it was an 8 month wait for a compressor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    WTF do you do while waiting for parts?

    Obviously, the machine cannot run. With an 8 month wait, what happens to the process that the machine was designed for? Is there a 'back-up' machine or a portable type that can be brought in or is customer just S.O.L?

    My customers scream when something can't be brought in within a weeks time. I can't imagine what a manager would say if I told them it was an 8 month wait for a compressor!
    Morning JP.
    Machine hasn't run in 3 years due to manufacturing problems. Machine is a heat recovery, so, it is able to run all year round. It's for comfort cooling/heating. Yes, it has back up.
    And, I can't understand, plaese try to explain this. It can produce about 110,115 degree water, which is enough to heat in chicago, where design is 0. They have back up electric water heaters. Electric heaters are more costly to use, from what I've been told. Elecrtric water heaters are more efficient, I would think, being able to get 100% out of it, where spinning a machine that uses energy to compress freon, and then heat transfer to water, AND those motors were designed in the 40's, which makes them energy hogs,. somehow my abacus doen't carry over enough decimal points to make sense.

  4. #15760
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    Good morning all, been a while since Ive been here. I have continued to keep up with this thread, just not chimed in. Life got busy and just havent taken the time to stop by. Bret I salute you for leaving that butthole of a company and I am confident things will work out for you!!!!

    Bob, that looks like one hell of a mess.................good luck wiht that abicus

  5. #15761
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavymetaldad View Post
    Morning JP.
    Machine hasn't run in 3 years due to manufacturing problems. Machine is a heat recovery, so, it is able to run all year round. It's for comfort cooling/heating. Yes, it has back up.
    And, I can't understand, plaese try to explain this. It can produce about 110,115 degree water, which is enough to heat in chicago, where design is 0. They have back up electric water heaters. Electric heaters are more costly to use, from what I've been told. Elecrtric water heaters are more efficient, I would think, being able to get 100% out of it, where spinning a machine that uses energy to compress freon, and then heat transfer to water, AND those motors were designed in the 40's, which makes them energy hogs,. somehow my abacus doen't carry over enough decimal points to make sense.
    If I had to guess (and I guess I am volunteering to guess) the difference is that using electric heat creates the heat from electricity (from "zero to BTUs") and the machine is used to MOVE the EXISTING heat (BTUs there to BTUs here) rather than create the heat.

    Make sense?
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  6. #15762
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    alright tigger

    ill see ya soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger93rsl View Post
    Hey guys, my last day is Thursday I start my new job in Kansas on Monday so I'm going to spend a couple days at the lake and river enjoying the peace and serenity of the county. I don't have a house yet so I won't be around for awhile untill I get settled in. Well take care everyone and Frank I'll give you a shout when I get around K.C.
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    If I had to guess (and I guess I am volunteering to guess) the difference is that using electric heat creates the heat from electricity (from "zero to BTUs") and the machine is used to MOVE the EXISTING heat (BTUs there to BTUs here) rather than create the heat.

    Make sense?
    That'd be a heat pump....first law of thermodynamics.....
    "The quality you deserve is not expensive---it's priceless"

  8. #15764
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    hey duuuuuuuuuuuuuuug
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    That'd be a heat pump....first law of thermodynamics.....
    Correct. Cheaper to move heat than to make it.
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  10. #15766
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    The first law of thermodynamics, an expression of the principle of conservation of energy, states that energy can be transformed (changed from one form to another), but cannot be created or destroyed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    That'd be a heat pump....first law of thermodynamics.....
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    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

  11. #15767
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Correct. Cheaper to move heat than to make it.
    We were granted the position in designing the GeoExchange System and directing the Mech Eng. on the Brentwood College School's new Dining Hall here at home. We had built the first 'Ocean Coupled' system about 8 years before and with this building we got them to put in a 40' X 4'W X 8'D gray water heat recovery pit. We then connected that to 6 heat pumps that are our own design that heat domestic hot water up to 170 degF. It is the the first of their kind and we used 404a scrolls running on another refrigerant.

    We only have one problem....we are recycling TOO much heat. We have to dump to the building loop/campus loop/ocean loop probably twice a day.....

    The building should save approx. $150,000/yr in energy and pay for the $1M ocean loop infrastructure in 5-6 years....

    MOVE IT DON'T BURN IT!!!
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  12. #15768
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    hey dug,

    we want to rebuild some old mcquay splits that are up on a tall roof and sorta built into the building

    i wanted to use the frame and put in new condenser coils, evaporator coils ,
    eev, scrolls and such

    the only thing is we would need to get it a seer rating for leed points!!!!!!!!

    how do we do that????

    if anybody would know? you would!!!

    frank

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    We were granted the position in designing the GeoExchange System and directing the Mech Eng. on the Brentwood College School's new Dining Hall here at home. We had built the first 'Ocean Coupled' system about 8 years before and with this building we got them to put in a 40' X 4'W X 8'D gray water heat recovery pit. We then connected that to 6 heat pumps that are our own design that heat domestic hot water up to 170 degF. It is the the first of their kind and we used 404a scrolls running on another refrigerant.

    We only have one problem....we are recycling TOO much heat. We have to dump to the building loop/campus loop/ocean loop probably twice a day.....

    The building should save approx. $150,000/yr in energy and pay for the $1M ocean loop infrastructure in 5-6 years....

    MOVE IT DON'T BURN IT!!!
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

  13. #15769
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    hey dug,

    we want to rebuild some old mcquay splits that are up on a tall roof and sorta built into the building

    i wanted to use the frame and put in new condenser coils, evaporator coils ,
    eev, scrolls and such

    the only thing is we would need to get it a seer rating for leed points!!!!!!!!

    how do we do that????

    if anybody would know? you would!!!

    frank

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    We were granted the position in designing the GeoExchange System and directing the Mech Eng. on the Brentwood College School's new Dining Hall here at home. We had built the first 'Ocean Coupled' system about 8 years before and with this building we got them to put in a 40' X 4'W X 8'D gray water heat recovery pit. We then connected that to 6 heat pumps that are our own design that heat domestic hot water up to 170 degF. It is the the first of their kind and we used 404a scrolls running on another refrigerant.

    We only have one problem....we are recycling TOO much heat. We have to dump to the building loop/campus loop/ocean loop probably twice a day.....

    The building should save approx. $150,000/yr in energy and pay for the $1M ocean loop infrastructure in 5-6 years....

    MOVE IT DON'T BURN IT!!!
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

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