OUR DEAR FRIEND HAS CANCER FCS

[fcs]

Morning all beat today but new med seem to help a lot

[RoBoTeq]

Morning all beat today but new med seem to help a lot

From what I understand, having to change meds from those that help one day and not the next is one of the most frustrating things in fighting major medical issues.

[Doug Lockhart]

Just so the rest of you guys understand, Doug and I butt heads regularly.

I never post a fundamental fact about economics, politics, or faith without the idea that he will try to rebut me in some way.

Most of us have a lot of respect for what Doug has accomplished. For that, I allow that he will be a little batty about some things. No big deal.

And therein lies the problem.....Art thinks they are facts.....they are his opinion just like mine are my opinion and thus both subject to minor or complete error but one can't admit that they just might be wrong.......insecurity wears many masks.....
If you take the chip off yer shoulder Art...you'll actually find I agree with you quite often.....yer choice too....

Day off here in Canada eh! Off up the mountain with good friends.......and the dogs are just tickled.....
Great pics Bret.....proud of your Boy for being with you Bret.....he's a keeper.... As for you good wife.....you are blessed buddy.....that girl's an angel......way to go....
Give 'em both a hug for Brenda and I....

[timebuilder]

And therein lies the problem.....Art thinks they are facts.....they are his opinion just like mine are my opinion and thus both subject to minor or complete error but one can't admit that they just might be wrong.......insecurity wears many masks.....
If you take the chip off yer shoulder Art...you'll actually find I agree with you quite often.....yer choice too....

Day off here in Canada eh! Off up the mountain with good friends.......and the dogs are just tickled.....
Great pics Bret.....proud of your Boy for being with you Bret.....he's a keeper.... As for you good wife.....you are blessed buddy.....that girl's an angel......way to go....
Give 'em both a hug for Brenda and I....

I won't give you anything as a fact unless I can defend it, beyond a reasonable doubt. That's the US standard for a criminal court, so that's a pretty high standard.

Anytime you think I have not given you a fact, you let me know, and I can spend ten pages proving it to you.

Then, you will say it's not a fact.

So, I often skip even trying to give you the proof, because you so frequently ignore it.

Of course, you are still free to do so.

[timebuilder]

Very, very well said, Robo.

I've never considered myself to be much of a 'man of faith'. I don't want to wander into ARP territory, here, but if I cannot prove it, it does not exist. Adherence to that simple phrase has, thus far, served me quite well.

Bret IS an inspiration to everyone. That much,I think we ALL agree on.

If you do not understand, and cannot prove, that an airplane flies, can it still fly to the west coast?

Sure can. God can be who He says He is, without a single person proving it.

I think that the point of disagreement is what defines the word "religion." That is the following the teaching of the Word of god, as given in his bible.

Everything else would be a false religion. It is those teachings that have led to war and oppression. No one who follows Biblical teaching has ever caused a problem. The Klan was not Biblical. The abortion Dr. murder was not Biblical. I could go on and on.

So, if I can amend the original assertion to one of "false religions are the cause of war and suffering," then yes, I will agree with that, hands down.

[jpsmith1cm]

If you do not understand, and cannot prove, that an airplane flies, can it still fly to the west coast?

Sure can. God can be who He says He is, without a single person proving it.
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Difference. Bernoulli's principle can be repeatably proven.

God cannot.

Let's not head down this road, Art.

Many have tried and you won't change my mind, either.

[RoBoTeq]

Difference. Bernoulli's principle can be repeatably proven.

God cannot.

Let's not head down this road, Art.

Many have tried and you won't change my mind, either.

No one can ever change your mind about God. Your mind is from God, and God has designed us to have complete free will so that no one can force us to think anything.

All people of faith can do and all we are charged to do is to tell the Good News, let others know God is there and that we are proof of that. Either we are all completely insane, or God exists and we have a relationship with God.

[jpsmith1cm]

Welcome to the Funny Farm.

Straightjackets on the left and padded rooms on the right.


FYI, I'm being facetious. I know some deeply religious people and I respect them. I just don't agree with them.

[timebuilder]

Welcome to the Funny Farm.

Straightjackets on the left and padded rooms on the right.


FYI, I'm being facetious. I know some deeply religious people and I respect them. I just don't agree with them.

It's not "people" you are disagreeing with, Jp....

[timebuilder]

Good morning, Bret and everyone!

[timebuilder]

Difference. Bernoulli's principle can be repeatably proven.

God cannot.

Let's not head down this road, Art.

Many have tried and you won't change my mind, either.

Actually, Bernoulli's principle is not the source of lift. The FAA, a particularly stubborn bunch, still clings to it, as it is still a test question. NASA knows better.

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/wrong1.html

The point of what I said is that even if you don't know or understand what makes an airplane fly, it still does so.

It's the same thing, regardless of what you think, sense, feel, or even like.

It is the only case where self-authentication makes logical sense.

[Doug Lockhart]

Actually, Bernoulli's principle is not the source of lift. The FAA, a particularly stubborn bunch, still clings to it, as it is still a test question. NASA knows better.

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/wrong1.html

The point of what I said is that even if you don't know or understand what makes an airplane fly, it still does so.

It's the same thing, regardless of what you think, sense, feel, or even like.

It is the only case where self-authentication makes logical sense.

Art, give it the 100 year test.......if it's not going to make any difference/impact in 100 years.....drop it......my god but you get wound up over %$$^ing nothing......

How's the aching body this morning Bret...?

[fcs]

Moring all.

[fcs]

Got a call form someone at my Cancer Center.Oncology want to "discuss" the IVig therapy.

The Neurologist at UNC lacks any sense of have a personality. I get the felling I'm simply a system that all the other Tech have been have trouble getting fix properly, I question he see his patience as anything other the a broke piece of equipment. This is fine if he can fix the problem,

I just hope he not one of those arrogant guys who won't ask for help or listen to others because he to busy telling every how he the best.

[jpsmith1cm]

Actually, Bernoulli's principle is not the source of lift. The FAA, a particularly stubborn bunch, still clings to it, as it is still a test question. NASA knows better.

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/wrong1.html

The point of what I said is that even if you don't know or understand what makes an airplane fly, it still does so.

It's the same thing, regardless of what you think, sense, feel, or even like.

It is the only case where self-authentication makes logical sense.

Sorry if I'm not up on the latest rocket science.....

My point is that the principle that makes said airplane fly can be proven, repeatably even if I don't understand it.

The existence of god cannot be proven once, let alone repeatably and reliably.

As I said, I have spent considerable time thinking about this and keep coming to the same conclusions.

Have you read G. Gordon Liddy's autobiography? An excellent read if you haven't.

[timebuilder]

Sorry if I'm not up on the latest rocket science.....

My point is that the principle that makes said airplane fly can be proven, repeatably even if I don't understand it.

The existence of god cannot be proven once, let alone repeatably and reliably.

As I said, I have spent considerable time thinking about this and keep coming to the same conclusions.

Have you read G. Gordon Liddy's autobiography? An excellent read if you haven't.

Here is what you are missing. Someone can prove that God is God.

He can.

Just as you can rely on NASA to be able to explain the existence of lift, God can explain himself. The manner he chooses may not be to your liking, or meet your expectation, but he is able to offer this type of explanation because he does not desire that you choose to follow him based on a proof that YOU would like.

Instead, he requires that you simply take his word that he is who he says he is, and that what he says is true.

That way, he ends up with followers who trust him, rather than those who measure him against their OWN standard.

See the difference?

Negative on Liddy. My free time is being spent on a renewal of my flight instructor certificates.

[Doug Lockhart]

Here is what you are missing. Someone can prove that God is God.

He can.

Just as you can rely on NASA to be able to explain the existence of lift, God can explain himself. The manner he chooses may not be to your liking, or meet your expectation, but he is able to offer this type of explanation because he does not desire that you choose to follow him based on a proof that YOU would like.

Instead, he requires that you simply take his word that he is who he says he is, and that what he says is true.

That way, he ends up with followers who trust him, rather than those who measure him against their OWN standard.

See the difference?

Negative on Liddy. My free time is being spent on a renewal of my flight instructor certificates.

WTF did he just say...???? Did you give us a date when the world is ending too Art, is that what you said....?????
I think I'll stick to isentropic and adiabatic compressible flow utilizing Bernoulli's theorem, I understand it better than you....

[jpsmith1cm]

I think he asked me to take the word of an unproveable being as to his own existence.

[Doug Lockhart]

I think he asked me to take the word of an unproveable being as to his own existence.

Thanx JP.....thought I was just too unfistokated to understand......
BTW.....isn't that 'unproveable to prove' sort of like an oxymoron?

[RoBoTeq]

I think he asked me to take the word of an unproveable being as to his own existence.

You doubt, therefore you think. You think, therefore you are. In the same way, God is.