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  1. #27223
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    Evening all
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Good morning, Bret and everyone!

    I came home last night, made dinner, finished it, and I was in bed in no time. Mentally wiped.

    Now, I go online and take a flight instructor renewal course for a week or so, then I go to the FSDO in Philly and they file the form 8710 and my printed cert.

    I worked too hard to get that ticket to let it lapse. I have to do that every two years.
    What happens if you laps for a few months dyou you have to start from scratch again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Good morning, Bret and everyone!

    I came home last night, made dinner, finished it, and I was in bed in no time. Mentally wiped.

    Now, I go online and take a flight instructor renewal course for a week or so, then I go to the FSDO in Philly and they file the form 8710 and my printed cert.

    I worked too hard to get that ticket to let it lapse. I have to do that every two years.
    Art,
    We are working with a company that designs/builds flight simulators and it has been told to me that in the next 5 years there will be a need to train tens of thousands of pilots. All that being said, with your experience and hours in the cockpit...would this be a opportunistic fit for you to make some excellent money at instructing with a shortage of qualified experienced people..??
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    Well, that's a somewhat complicated idea. For several years now, they have talked about a "pilot shortage." It happened once before, in the 1960's.

    The reason it happens is because the companies fail to offer enough money to attract qualified people. What they end up with is a lot of folks who love to fly, but don't want to sit reserve for low pay for a year or two before they can bid decent lines (flight requests.)

    As for me, even though they raised the mandatory retirement age for part 121 pilots (scheduled airlines) I am too close to it for any of them to be interested.

    What they want as their ideal candidate is this:
    a 21 year old female African American who is an Iraq veteran and aviation degree holder, and who is still supported by her family so they don't have to pay her much money.

    Old white guy who fits into no "protected class status groups" is a dime a dozen to them.

    It's a game of politics and money, and I am not their preferred game piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Well, that's a somewhat complicated idea. For several years now, they have talked about a "pilot shortage." It happened once before, in the 1960's.

    The reason it happens is because the companies fail to offer enough money to attract qualified people. What they end up with is a lot of folks who love to fly, but don't want to sit reserve for low pay for a year or two before they can bid decent lines (flight requests.)

    As for me, even though they raised the mandatory retirement age for part 121 pilots (scheduled airlines) I am too close to it for any of them to be interested.

    What they want as their ideal candidate is this:
    a 21 year old female African American who is an Iraq veteran and aviation degree holder, and who is still supported by her family so they don't have to pay her much money.

    Old white guy who fits into no "protected class status groups" is a dime a dozen to them.

    It's a game of politics and money, and I am not their preferred game piece.
    Secondarily.....would they not also want/require huge numbers of instructors to achieve filling those vacancies?
    "The quality you deserve is not expensive---it's priceless"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    Secondarily.....would they not also want/require huge numbers of instructors to achieve filling those vacancies?

    We have many more instructors than are needed for the students that are needed. Even when the economy was good, I never made 40 hours at my flight school in Reading, PA.

    I talked with a "pilot mill" flight school in Sanford, FL that was a feeder school for Delta, and they offered $7.25 an hour in 2002. In reading, I was making $10 more per hour.

    The aviation business is a pyramid scheme, because you need hours in your logbook to move up the pyramid. So, the "hours" become the major aspect of compensation, rather than the actual dollars. That is the reason that the pilots involved in the Dash-8 crash outside Buffalo NY were making so little money. The female (remember my post above) was making $19,000 or so per year, and the male captain was not making much more.

    My pay for the Lear 35/55 was a mere $29,000.

    So, the structure is laid out so everyone has to struggle to get near the top to get any money.

    That's why they may run short of pilots. Lot's of struggle, little money for many years.

    So, like HVAC, kids see this and say to themselves, "hey, I can make twice that writing apps for the Iphone, and I won't have to be exposed to this absurd system."
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    Good morning, Bret and everyone!
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    'Morning Bret and everyone. Art, the setup is similar here, that's why I never took flying as a career option even though (or because) it's a blast. Too many people wanna do it, which takes care of the supply situation for the employers. Over here, they're big on discrimination as well.. Even on the federal government job sites, certain positions literally stated that they were only gonna hire from the 4 "employment equity" (Canadian for "affirmative action" or "discrimination) groups - female, visible minority, handicapped, native. Since then they stopped advertising the practice (there was a big stink raised over it) and just do it quietly.

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    afternoon all

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    Quote Originally Posted by fcs View Post
    afternoon all

    Pizza for dinner
    Gee Bret, what kind are you getting, I will be on my way soon.
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    Good morning, Bret and everyone!
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    'Morning Bret and everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky05 View Post
    Gee Bret, what kind are you getting, I will be on my way soon.
    1 pepperoni and with Bacon (Andy likes it , it OK)
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