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  1. #25351
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    But you'd still pay your employee if he's on your clock, doing what you told him to do, whether it's a service call or watering your garden. Yes, this company is full of goofballs who don't earn half of their minimum wage (I make my living cleaning up their messes), but that doesn't excuse treating techs who go above and beyond bare-bones professionalism like dirt. Nobody wants to work for free.

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    I can't pay what I can't collect Ilija.
    We don't "print money" , we have to have it billed first or we go bankrupt if were that stupid of a businessmen
    FYI most business owners work a 80-90 hour week and we get paid for about 1/4 of that IF were lucky.

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    morning all
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    OK Baseball rule for me today
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    2 twice laid banging the left finger #$!!2#$.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    I can't pay what I can't collect Ilija.
    We don't "print money" , we have to have it billed first or we go bankrupt if were that stupid of a businessmen
    FYI most business owners work a 80-90 hour week and we get paid for about 1/4 of that IF were lucky.
    I'd have no problems with hanging on a little (depending on the boss, of course) if I knew that I'd get paid for doing my work when you collect the money. In my case, I'll never see that money and it has already been collected from the customers. You wouldn't send one of your techs to shovel your driveway and then tell him you can't pay him for it because you can't bill anyone for the work?

    By the way, if we're talking malfunctions on the work truck, let's assume the tech drove just fine, that the tranny went because you were too cheap to replace the ATF for 300,000mi and the pads went because you were too cheap to replace the rotors last time they replaced the pads.. Then you tell the tech to hang around until the truck gets fixed but you won't pay him for hanging around, ever. Chances are, the tech would develop a keen interest in the Classifieds and sites like monster and workopolis.

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    The beauty is we all have "choices" Ilija. We also have good days and then we have 'learning days'.
    FYI the brakes are 13 month old/12000 km wear severe duty pads and the van has a total of 110,000 km. !!!
    So it looks like with our diametrical views, we both have "choices".

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    Hey guys!!!

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    Doug, we're describing 2 different situations here.. I have zero influence on how the equipment runs. It's all on the maintenance department and these issues are caused by poor maintenance practices. If it craps out, I'm expected to keep trying to make it work but not to get paid for my time. As a business owner, I am sure you'd laugh a customer out of the office if he suggested having your shop do work for him for free. Your customer gets billed for the time the mechanic spent on site, whether he was working on the RTU or stuck in the elevator. How they maintain their elevators is not your problem. I am sure the client company owner works 90 hours a week and gets paid for 1/4 of that time, but that doesn't excuse him from paying you what he owes you.

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    Good morning Bret and all.
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    Good morning, Bret and everyone.

    Now, I get to vent a little, so keep your sticks on the ice, and listen up, eh!

    A truck with worn brakes is one thing.

    How about:

    you do a bunch of work for a major bookstore chain and they go out of business (seven of those stores in my territory alone)

    you do a bunch of work for a teen clothing outlet chain and they declare bankruptcy (maybe 12 stores in my area)

    You do a MAJOR u.s. chain of hair salons, and the service broker loses the contract due to mismanagement (30 stores in my area)

    the same service broker loses THE office copy chain in the world (another 12 stores in my area)


    ...and then you company has to lay off two men, which is 33% of the techs.

    That's what my week was like, and one of them was a close friend and good helper.

    Now, we have to figure out how to fill in those blanks, or next time, I'm one of the guys turning in his truck.

    That's my ante. Who can raise me?
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    The employee and employer in the equation are like comparing the commitment of the chicken and the pig in bacon and eggs guys.....
    The chicken is interested......the pig is committed. Get it?
    Owners lose their houses, vehicles, and nearly all their possessions when their companies/contracts/etc go for a $hit. We raid bank accounts and RRSP funds at high tax costs etc to 'make payroll' and keep on our feet.

    As I said before for any of you that judge the owners to be f***ing jerks and cheap SOBs......go start your own company and RUN it for a minimum of 5 years and then come tell me how the other side of the fence grass is.

    TB.....your boss trumps you.....
    "The quality you deserve is not expensive---it's priceless"

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    'Morning Bret and everyone. Yikes, Art, that's a nasty one. I hope things pick up for you guys. Bret, you gotta try to be a bit more careful for now. There will be time for running around again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Good morning, Bret and everyone.

    Now, I get to vent a little, so keep your sticks on the ice, and listen up, eh!

    A truck with worn brakes is one thing.

    How about:

    you do a bunch of work for a major bookstore chain and they go out of business (seven of those stores in my territory alone)

    you do a bunch of work for a teen clothing outlet chain and they declare bankruptcy (maybe 12 stores in my area)

    You do a MAJOR u.s. chain of hair salons, and the service broker loses the contract due to mismanagement (30 stores in my area)

    the same service broker loses THE office copy chain in the world (another 12 stores in my area)


    ...and then you company has to lay off two men, which is 33% of the techs.

    That's what my week was like, and one of them was a close friend and good helper.

    Now, we have to figure out how to fill in those blanks, or next time, I'm one of the guys turning in his truck.

    That's my ante. Who can raise me?
    Wow that stinks so is it you and the owner left?

    do you guys have any contract left?
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