Is the entire system oversized by one ton or just the TXV? Your post makes it sound as though the TXV is a 4 ton valve.
Hello i have a 3 ton r-410 condensor and 3 ton furnace and a 3 ton r410 coil with txv. The whole system is oversized by a ton for a 1,000 square ft hom in Houston. Could i change the condenser to a 2 ton r410 and have it work with the 3 ton furnace and coil? Thank You
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Is the entire system oversized by one ton or just the TXV? Your post makes it sound as though the TXV is a 4 ton valve.
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Hello Doc & Thank You or your quick reply, The whole system is 3ton running r410refrig, I would like to know if i could change the condenser to a 2 ton and if it would work with the larger furnace and coil inorder to stop the short cylce and humidity problems Thank You
Be sure that it's oversized first.
Post the model numbers and brand ,someone can likely look it up and see if it is a correct match.
There may be an AHRI listed match with a 2 ton condenser, but a 3 ton coil on a 2 ton condenser still isn't giving the best latent capacity (humidity removal).
My home system that is a 2 ton condenser with a 3 ton evap, is only .01% different S/T than they same condenser with 2 ton evap.
high humidity,
1) Find out exactly what you space needs capacity wise first. Have some do a manual J.
2) Yes there might be an ARI match up for you evap coil with a 2 ton condenser. Need more info.
3) Biggest problem is trying to get the proper cfm from the furnace, if it isn't a ECM. Even if it is, you still might not get the proper airflow for 2 tons.
On a hot day, what is the temperature and %RH inside the home? What is the lenght of cooling cycle (on/off)? What is the room temperature and the a/c supply temperature during the cooling cycle? Do you operate your fan "on" mode?
With the outside temp at 100^F, a 2 ton may operate non-stop removing 7 lbs. of moisture per hour. The max latent load for a houtson house with 4 people is 3-4 lbs. per houur of moisture to maintain <50%RH. A oversized 3 ton a/c will operate 67% of the time remove 5 lbs. of moisture per hour. This is mainly because all a/cs require 8 minutes to make the coil cold enough to removes moisture from the air. The 3 ton removes enough dehumidification to maintain <50%RH during high cooling loads. As the cooling load declines, the on/off cycles increase more for both sized units. The latent load per hour of the home remains the about the same because of the high outdoor dew point. Expect the 2 ton a/c to have a couple cycles less than the 3 which is 16 minutes of addition dehumidification. This a 1-2 lbs. per hour of additional moisture removal. During evenings and rainy days neither a/c will remove any water and you still the 3-4 lbs per hour moisture load without any a/c operation. You still high outdoor latent load and moistue from the occupants.
So the smaller a/c is a little better dehumidifier in a light cooling load condition but unable to handle a home with 4 occupants and natural infiltration/adequate fresh air ventilation. The industry has sold this a/c sizing thing to the point where customers believe a one ton oversized a/c can not maintain low %RH in a humid climate. From my testing of homes, a two ton will not provide <50%RH during low/no cooling conditions with occupants and typical fresh air. Get a good ducted 65-90 pint whole house dehumidifier and get <50%RH any sized a/c during any weather that Houston hit you with.
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Here's an alternative to concentrating on your a/c system to resolve your high humidity problems: find out where outside air is leaking into your house, and see what is needed to reduce that leakage. It may be your system is still oversized, but reducing the amount of humidity it has to remove is never a bad thing.
The manufacturer of your equipment would know best if the configuration you propose would help you meet your goal of increased dehumidification. My initial observation is that a larger indoor coil coupled to a smaller condenser is a net loss in both sensible and latent capacity, but I could be off-base. It would all depend on what the ARI numbers are for any match-up you're considering. What would be concurrently helpful is a heat load calculation performed on your house, along with a blower door test to determine how leaky it is. There are smart ways to resolve this problem, and there are ways that waste time and money. Choose wisely.
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Call the installing Trane dealer.
He can tell you if a 2 ton condenser will match up.
And, he may feel guilty since he over sized it.
and if he doesn't feel guilty?
try a stand alone dehumidifier located in
the conditioned space.
won't stop shortcycling..but will remove quite
a bit of humdity.
oh and what shophound said...stop air infiltration
texas is like la...high humidity!
best of luck.
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can you lower the blower speed any more?
Hello and thank you for your reply, I am confused on the answer. 1 ton over-size evaporator coil won't creat more humidity if it is setting up correctly
Will it create less humidity if it is set up right? or would dropping the fan speed to low do just as good, if the coil does not freeze up.
That is for the qualified technician to give you the solution. I don't mean to be rude.
It is very very easy to deal with sensible heat (dry bulb temperature). And I did emphasize the word very.
But when it comes to latent heat (wet bulb temperature). It is very difficult in the sense that you don't want to compromise the punishment that the equipment will take it it is not done properly
i'd start with lowering the fan to low. if you don't have freezing issues.. problem solved. if freezing occurs then get the right size equipment.