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    Quote Originally Posted by adamste81 View Post
    tell me about it!!! Its great though i love getting everyones opinion on this, it is very interesting. to be honest i never though i would get 4 pages of replies and over 600 views but hey looks like i did a good job posting this.

    as far as the low class thing about tattoo shops you are totally correct. that is a true statement. it sucks but thats the way it is. and yes, incase any gave a sh*t about this I do regret about 60% of my tattoos....i was 17 and 18 and thought i knew it all....now at 27 i know i was a dumbass
    I always tell people, decide what you want in a tattoo...then wait a year. I have a custom made family shield. Has emblems for all my kids and wife, just about a 1/4 sleeve.

    I am thinking of getting some more work done on the left side....anybody want to go with me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoIsThat? View Post
    No.
    Empathy ^ sales \/.
    Lying ^ sales ^
    It's a business.
    Charming but ruthless = a perfect CEO.
    Think Junk Bonds from a few decades ago and peanut butter products today.

    And, sorry to say, according to DSM IV there is also a connection between arsonists and firemen.

    BTW, in Sin City you could have
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias
    but you still may be right.
    Las Vegas is definitely not a random sample of people. They are probably more attracted to risk than others, for one. Looking for a high? Easily bored?

    There also may be some overriding factor that causes both crime and tattoos.
    Sorry. I have to disagree with your evaluation of empathy, lying, and sales. Top sales people never have to lie, and they are top performers BECAUSE they can empathize.

    You must be referring to untrained, ham-handed sales people.

    And, the "perfect CEO" is not "charnming, but ruthless."

    The perfect CEO is a self-disciplined leader who knows how to motivate by example, bringing out the best, rather than the worst, in his employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Sorry. I have to disagree with your evaluation of empathy, lying, and sales. Top sales people never have to lie, and they are top performers BECAUSE they can empathize.

    You must be referring to untrained, ham-handed sales people.

    And, the "perfect CEO" is not "charnming, but ruthless."

    The perfect CEO is a self-disciplined leader who knows how to motivate by example, bringing out the best, rather than the worst, in his employees.
    At our company there are many top TM's (territory managers, sales.) One has a great year but not a great career and the other has a good year but a great 22 year career. Want to guess which one is a great human being and the other a POS?

    One TM speaks to troubled youths, good dad, will do anything for you...the other dumps on everybody and sleeps like a baby.

    The perfect TM is the guy with the good heart, same goes for the CEO.
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  4. #56
    I don't see you having a few tattoos really mattering in this day and age. It seems like everyone and their grandmother gets tattoos these days. I agree with the other posters that it's your attitude and how you treat the customer that's the important thing. I work with a lot of guys that have them and it really isn't an issue.......I mean does anyone actually notice anymore?

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    People do notice.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdummy39 View Post
    I don't see you having a few tattoos really mattering in this day and age. It seems like everyone and their grandmother gets tattoos these days. I agree with the other posters that it's your attitude and how you treat the customer that's the important thing. I work with a lot of guys that have them and it really isn't an issue.......I mean does anyone actually notice anymore?
    You think you have a right to have a tattoo or dress any way you chose. I agree with you but a employer or customer has the right not to let you work for them. There is no legal or moral law that says some has to hire you if they don’t like your personal presentation.
    Last edited by Jimboelec; 02-22-2009 at 10:28 PM. Reason: spelling

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    Hello Jim, If I was an employer or customer my main concern would be "Does this guy know what he's doing!!" Betcha didn't know it but employers and customers also get tattoos. Sure someone can bypass you because you have a tattoo or because they don't like something else about you.....so what?? You're never going to please all of the people you meet in this life. I say treat the employer and customer with respect, know your job and you will be ok.

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    I too don't think a couple small tattoo's on your arm will effect you too much if any.

    I want to get some tats bad, but they'll be covered by a t-shirt.

    Wonder if a customer would think the same about a HVAC guy with tattoo's if one was a set of gauges and HVAC 4 life on his arm?
    "If you call that hard work, a koala’s life would look heroic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdummy39 View Post
    I don't see you having a few tattoos really mattering in this day and age. It seems like everyone and their grandmother gets tattoos these days. I agree with the other posters that it's your attitude and how you treat the customer that's the important thing. I work with a lot of guys that have them and it really isn't an issue.......I mean does anyone actually notice anymore?
    The reason it seems that everyone and their grandmother is getting tattoos is because they are a part of your self-selected sphere of influence. That means they are in your peer group, or when they are not, you notice them because you have an interest in the topic, and you ignore those who do not get them.

    Unless you have a lot of friends who typically buy homes larger than $2,400 square feet (in my area, starting at around $280,000 and going up into the 4's) I think you may have a limited perspective on the popularity of tattoos.

    The point of this discussion is not to demonize any of our friends here who have tats, but to understand the sensibilities of our customers, and how those sensibilities can impact your job and your business, depending on the area and income of the customers you serve. The important idea is how the customer feels, and not how well we can justify ourselves.
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    Good Point

    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    The reason it seems that everyone and their grandmother is getting tattoos is because they are a part of your self-selected sphere of influence. That means they are in your peer group, or when they are not, you notice them because you have an interest in the topic, and you ignore those who do not get them.

    Unless you have a lot of friends who typically buy homes larger than $2,400 square feet (in my area, starting at around $280,000 and going up into the 4's) I think you may have a limited perspective on the popularity of tattoos.

    The point of this discussion is not to demonize any of our friends here who have tats, but to understand the sensibilities of our customers, and how those sensibilities can impact your job and your business, depending on the area and income of the customers you serve. The important idea is how the customer feels, and not how well we can justify ourselves.
    You are realy thinking. Well presented.

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    CEOs

    In some circles it's accepted that "The Captains of Industry" are sociopaths, and there have certainly been a bunch of them in the newspapers lately.
    So I'd say we only hear about these people when they're caught, but the ones who are caught are in the minority.

    And I know of at least two who have not been "caught", and they are regarded as heros (except by their enemies). These celebrated millionaires destroy people's lives and the environment.

    And you can't sue your boss for having a personality disorder (but if I had a law degree I would have tried).

    I think most sociopaths, however, end up serving time in mental institutions or jail. Then they are released into the general public and the cycle begins again.
    Some, I've heard, benefit from experience and change their lives in their 40s.

    I've heard of people who behaved like perfect CEOs maybe twice in my whole life.

    With the Internet, anyone can find out, to some level of certainty.
    You type the person's name followed by "sociopath" or "antisocial" followed by "DSM".
    Some websites are run by accredited professionals.
    Like all polls, if you check 10 sites you will know the percent of people (who believe or don't believe this idea) to within an accuracy of +/- 30%.
    100 sites gives an accuracy of +/- 10% and 1000 sites, +/- 3%.
    That's why opinion polls interview many thousands of people for close political races.

    Anyhow, the disorder of choice for world leaders is different. It's narcissistic first, followed by obsessive compulsive, followed by paranoid. My neighbor, with his "sense of entitlement", seems to fit the first category (so I put up a fence, to prevent his encroaching on my property).

    In any case, good luck to the OP on his job hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamste81 View Post
    I am going to school to become a tech and one of my questions is will my tattoos be an issue getting hired. I have 2 small ones on my left forearm and one on the right. None of them are racist, sexual or vulgar in any way. Do you think this will be an issue in this field?? Also, anyone who posts on here if you are in charge of hiring would you hire me with tattoos?

    thanks

    My 2 cents for what its worth as an employer that has a fairly large tattoo although it's covered with a short sleeve shirt.

    Keep yours covered for the interview. If your asked be honest and show them.

    Like many have said its all about first impression and a good % of the general populations first impression of tattoos is negative.

    I would also recommend you keep them covered when you are meeting customers for the first time for the same reason.

    Once you have proved your worth to your employer and your customers the tattoos should become irrelevant.

    Good Luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoIsThat? View Post
    In some circles it's accepted that "The Captains of Industry" are sociopaths, and there have certainly been a bunch of them in the newspapers lately.
    So I'd say we only hear about these people when they're caught, but the ones who are caught are in the minority.
    (Voice heard through megaphone) "STEP AWAY FROM THE KOOL-AIDE!!!"

    Seriously, the only folks who would agree with that statement are extreme left wing loonies.

    I read the paper, and I cannot even tell you of ONE "captain of industry" mentioned for some kind of wrongdoing since since the Tyco scandal of years ago. Bernie Madoff was not a "captain of industry." He was a guy with a brokerage background who thought he could carry this scheme forward to a point where the market would recover, and he could fold his scheme back into market investments, and he was caught before he could do that.

    Garden variety con man? Yes. Captain of industry? No.
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    Call Me 'Old School'

    I 'dress for success'

    I respect the buildings, missions, tenants and customers I serve. I would never ask the facility manager or owner to sign my service report unless I was dressed in a professional manner. They are paying top dollar for my goods and services.

    If I were a building owner I would not want some unshaven girly boy with tatoo's who fell face first into a tackle box of fish hooks working on my ANY system. No way no how. I don not care how smart he thinks he is.

    I know there is a new generation, bla bla bla. What concerns me is not so much a lack of respect for ones self as the lack of respect for the client and the position.

    Our clients and customers pay top dollar for our goods and services. We should show them the proper respect by the way we conduct ourselves in their buildings, both in our appearance and demeanor.

    My .02

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