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    Confused Quality lon based controls.

    I need some help fellas, I am the service manager for a hvac mechanical company(we have some control experience). I have been given the task to build/start a controls division the higher ups want to use something like h-w lcbs or tcs basys based on their ease of use and simplicity. However I see some limitations, I looked at many lines but due to the current economic situation management does not want to pay high buy in cost. I found a company called Control Solutions Inc. and was wondering if anyone has used them or had any other suggestions. It would appear that they had all their bases covered. Also any info on Smart Controls, Walker Systems would be very helpful.

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    what city are they located?

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    I would assume you mean Control Solutions? I believe Minnesota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGDICKMaGEE View Post
    I looked at many lines but due to the current economic situation management does not want to pay high buy in cost.
    Are they gonna shell out some green for training??? Sometimes the high cost of training and losing a tech for a week at a time is more than a company will bear.

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    Then don't sign up with somebody with a buy-in cost (or any).

    I can give you some basic information on systems (particularly LON). I originally started doing what became LCBS in the early 90's so it's familiar territory for me.

    However, buying Hwell or Distech through distribution may not be all bad for you to start. Maybe you can mix in some flexibility with the right information.

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    My thoughts are that if we are going to start and training is a requirment(which it is) that we should pick a company(product line) that will eventually meet most of are needs. As I stated previously most would be existing small to medium sized commercial buildings(under70,000sq ft). I liked some aspects of lcbs, and the wireless capabilities of TCS Basys, but what if the customer wants more or even wants bacnet or lon(seems h-w lcbs is not a true lon based system). Maybe sysint could share some of that info with me?

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    Send me a PM with your contact information.

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    (1st) I would look at user interface (front end or How your going to look at the system)
    I would go with a Tridium ax and go from that. Ever one will have controls that will work for what you want. But can you go and buy it at your supply house/distribution. That way I like the JCI FX line and anyone can go to the training class it only 3 week of training and your ready to install.

    then you can install Hwell , Distech and JCI all on the Tridium (ax/fx60/fx40)

    (2nd) not locked to one line of controls

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    Sysint could you give me someway to contact you I don't know what i can post and what i can't.
    carrier jci tac tech iam still looking at the JCI equipment.

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    As a regular member you can't PM (Private Message). Sysint profile will have to be updated with info.

    As to your original question I would look at what Engenuity or Alps Controls or the like has to offer. This would prevent quotas/long term contracts. Then you could send your guys to anyone's LON class and start getting your feet wet w/o the commitment.

    http://engenuity.com

    http://alpscontrols.com
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    Sorry about that. I'll update briefly for you (today) I started to get email traffic from HVAC vendors that had nothing to do with what I do so I killed most emails in profiles... so if you miss it today (Feb 19) you can find me at loytec-americas.com website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crab master View Post
    As a regular member you can't PM (Private Message). Sysint profile will have to be updated with info.

    As to your original question I would look at what Engenuity or Alps Controls or the like has to offer. This would prevent quotas/long term contracts. Then you could send your guys to anyone's LON class and start getting your feet wet w/o the commitment.

    http://engenuity.com

    http://alpscontrols.com

    Also talk to these people
    http://www.columbustemp.com/

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    might as well toss in CT Supply too.
    http://www.ct-supply.com/

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