View Poll Results: Do you use apps for smart phones or tablets to monitor building energy services?

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  1. #1
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    Remotely Monitoring Building Services

    Do any of you use apps on smart phones or tablets to monitor building energy services?

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    No.

    After many years in the business, I find it somewhat ludicrous to spend the money needed to purchase, install, and monitor building energy, if the purpose is some sort of "energy cost savings." You would have to have a very large rebate program in place with a utility to even come close to making it worthwhile.

    In some areas, there may be an intangible PR benefit, where a company can tout their so-called "environmental awareness, " yadda yadda, but in truth, it is nearly impossible to remain comfortable and save all of the energy that is desired. The physics works against you, and you cannot argue with physics.

    A good example of this is solar. The cost to purchase and have a system installed where the panels would last for a decade or so is so high that the government had to offer money incentives to underwrite those investments. We have not yet reached the point where you can gather your own electricity at a lower cost, including the infrastructure that you had installed, to make it attractive to most consumers. Most often, those who make the purchase have an altruistic rationale that is not based in economics.

    So...if your purpose of monitoring a building energy profile is to make the occupants less comfortable, then yes, you will save energy. Years ago, a store manager told me that he knew what EMS means. He said it means "Everyone Must Suffer."
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    Are you a saleman?

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    I am not, rather I am a data analyst in the HVAC commercial industry. I was hoping this website would give me better insight by getting the comments straight from the "horses-mouth".

    Thank you for stopping on the post.

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    ewyni001,
    I have mixed feelings about replying here.
    I'm in Controls (BAS) and I do NOT use a smart phone or tablet to "... monitor energy services...". I do however spend a great deal of time (remotely) monitoring and troubleshooting HVAC systems (but not with a smart phone or tablet).

    I agree, in principal, with timebuilder on the idea that (to paraphrase) a Crap Ton of money is wasted on "Energy Management Systems" (EMS) when the building environment suffers to save a minimal amount of energy.

    Not to downplay your role in the industry but IMO building owners/operators should work to improve operating efficiencies rather than reduce the utility bill as a sole benchmark. For several years running the local Building Operators group listed the 2 primary reasons tenants vacated commercial building; Lack of parking was #1 and, wait for it ....... , HVAC comfort issues was #2. My take away on this was "You can save energy, as a goal, until you have a vacant building. After that the 'Low Energy Cost' building becomes a total cost liability from complete loss of revenue".

    Sorry if this wasn't the viewpoint/answer you were hoping for.
    If sense were so common everyone would have it !

    Any advice provided is worth exactly what you paid for it, not a penny more not, a penny less !!

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    It is worth noting that the group that most often is misguided by the EMS approach is large chains. Providers dangle a huge carrot in from of them, telling chains with over a thousand stores that they can save over a half million dollars a year, which is true.

    They can also sow seeds of discontent among their store associates.

    They can also make their customers so uncomfortable by the store temperatures that they cannot wait to leave and get out to their cars, where THEY can control the environment. Then, they get on their devices and order from someone else....online.

    So yes, they can see savings. What they don't ever see is how much they could gain by not saving that half million.
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    I voted with a 50% for a reason.

    On small systems (churches, strip malls ect.) YES.
    It is more user friendly for the "owner" and users.
    And most of them just want a glorified time clock....

    BUT, I am involved in a government city EMS system that will never use apps. for security reasons.
    I have first hand experience that this system provides comfort and energy management.
    But we have dedicated programmers/operators 24/7 adjusting the parameters.
    Life is too short, Behappy!
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