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    Quote Originally Posted by orion242 View Post
    WTF is going on with the SSL Cert for Loytec's site?
    Firefox throws those errors much more often than other browsers. I tend to get them from my home office, where the nanyware program that keeps the rank and file from watching porn sets off FF. Or if I am on a public WiFi hotspt I will get that. I find it has more to do with how you get where you are going than it does what site you are on.
    Hmmmm....smells like numbatwo to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbawunfela View Post
    Firefox throws those errors much more often than other browsers. I tend to get them from my home office, where the nanyware program that keeps the rank and file from watching porn sets off FF. Or if I am on a public WiFi hotspt I will get that. I find it has more to do with how you get where you are going than it does what site you are on.
    Thought about that. Pretty rare I'm not using VPN to tunnel everything through my home connection. Through home or thru the office I get the same. No funny biz with a gateway in the middle toying with SSL connections.

    I must have removed them from my CA store at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grgjohno View Post
    Fair Enough

    Well here is an extract from their device manual, which is probably better then me trying to explain it to you.Attachment 836111
    hopefully it has enough info of what you are after.
    Thank you sir! - I suppos you have this thingie and like it?

    I remember I could get bad binding data out of a Johnson NAE if I dug around long enough, but I have not seen that elsewhere until now. section 3.5.10 shows that feature, which is nice - and I have not seen on the other devices so far.

    No mention of indicating duplicate MAC addresses, or duplicate BBMDs and a few others that the 5051e catches. The 3.5.9 section includes a bunch of stuff that everyone seems to include except the bus health indicator (figure 79). That is also a Johnson looking thing that I liked, but is not common. It allows a casual glance by someone without any understanding to get a decent grip on how your trunk is doing generally - something Johnson is good at since they tend to retain below average guys and need to compensate with A LOT of help like this to make up the difference. But I digress....

    It seems like the excerpt includes the Bacnet stuff, but this thing also does a lot of LON diagnostics - it that right?

    I would say it looks not bad overall, better than most, but I am not sure if it has features that replace the 5051e. Have you looked at any of their stuff?

    look here:
    http://www.kmccontrols.com/images/co...5051e_revi.pdf

    start on page 34
    Hmmmm....smells like numbatwo to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orion242 View Post
    WTF is going on with the SSL Cert for Loytec's site? Odd I'm only getting this in FF, IE has no issue. Something happen to thawte and FF pulled them from the trusted list?
    It's an issue with their server's certificate chain, meaning their server is not providing the intermediate certificate.
    https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/anal...www.loytec.com

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    Nice site to check things.

    Chop chop sys, your losing page views. My personal web host that costs a handful of dimes per month is giving me certs/servers that rate better.

    Is it me or has sys been rather quiet since the buy out?
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    @Orion
    If you have LINX Configurator , then you should have the Loytec Device User Manual 6.2 as well, it comes packaged with all the other manuals you already mentioned.
    I'm pretty sure the ACL list will only work on one IP port, as you can only select Bacnet/IP to work on one of the 2 Ethernet ports.
    Not sure why your getting a Cert error, on their site, I've never encountered that, I can log in as per normal.

    @numbawunfella
    We use their products quite a bit, but they are not the cheapest on the market.
    I regularly use their network capture feature & Wireshark to trap & identify problems.
    Duplicate MACs I usually identify using their MSTP statistics page, which shows them up pretty clearly.
    Duplicate BBMDS will show up when you do a BBMD comms test.
    Yeah it does LON, KNX Modbus, etc, etc, etc, I just extracted the Bacnet stuff, or the manual would not have fitted on here as an attachement.

    Thanks for the KMC info, I'll check it out....
    we are always looking for hardware thats well priced, well supported, and functions as described & expected.

    haha sys (duck) has been a bit more quiet than usual the last couple of months.........or maybe you haven't given enough fodder lately Orion

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    @Orion
    If you have LINX Configurator , then you should have the Loytec Device User Manual 6.2 as well, it comes packaged with all the other manuals you already mentioned.
    I'm pretty sure the ACL list will only work on one IP port, as you can only select Bacnet/IP to work on one of the 2 Ethernet ports.
    Not sure why your getting a Cert error, on their site, I've never encountered that, I can log in as per normal.

    @numbawunfella
    We use their products quite a bit, but they are not the cheapest on the market.
    I regularly use their network capture feature & Wireshark to trap & identify problems.
    Duplicate MACs I usually identify using their MSTP statistics page, which shows them up pretty clearly.
    Duplicate BBMDS will show up when you do a BBMD comms test.
    Yeah it does LON, KNX Modbus, etc, etc, etc, I just extracted the Bacnet stuff, or the manual would not have fitted on here as an attachement.

    Thanks for the KMC info, I'll check it out....
    we are always looking for hardware thats well priced, well supported, and functions as described & expected.

    haha sys (duck) has been a bit more quiet than usual the last couple of months.........or maybe you haven't given enough fodder lately Orion

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    Quote Originally Posted by grgjohno View Post
    Loytec Device User Manual 6.2
    That's what I'm looking for.

    Quote Originally Posted by grgjohno View Post
    Not sure why your getting a Cert error, on their site, I've never encountered that, I can log in as per normal.
    Its seems to be firefox not liking their cert chain. FF56 & 57 are tossing the red flag on multiple machines for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by grgjohno View Post
    maybe you haven't given enough fodder lately Orion
    Getting older, limiting my quack intake these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grgjohno View Post
    @numbawunfella
    Duplicate MACs I usually identify using their MSTP statistics page, which shows them up pretty clearly.
    Duplicate BBMDS will show up when you do a BBMD comms test.
    Yeah it does LON, KNX Modbus, etc, etc, etc, I just extracted the Bacnet stuff, or the manual would not have fitted on here as an attachement.

    Thanks for the KMC info, I'll check it out....
    Thanks a lot for attaching it. I have used the 5051e but not the loytech device. I got the KMC 5051e for about $325 at johnstone recently. How does that compare to the loytech product?
    Also, as shown in the pages i pointed to, the KMC is really straightforward. If mac 22 is a duplicate, it puts that exact error on that exact address (and is reasonably accurate). Is the loytech that idiot-proof? It is one thing to get a bunch of header crc errrors and deduce the issue, another to get a picture that tells me.

    It seems like the loytech device is almost a mini front end, routong emails and such. Just trying to get a feel for it.

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    I owuld say that you got a lot of "bang for your buck" at that price!
    I think the Loytec LIP-ME201C will be a bit more expensive, but you would have to speak to Loytec over in your side of the world about that.
    But I do think does have a few more features than the KMC, but is the extra cost worth the features.....that is something you would have to weigh up.

    I think it just depends on what you feel comfortable with, once your used to a product, its considered idiot proof, because you know how to use it well. But put it in the hands of a noob and you will find yourself laughing at his stupid mistakes....

    I do like the error capabilities of the KMC it does appear to make problems quite easy to find.
    I think you may need to be a bit more tech savvy with the Loytec.
    The extract pages are from a Loytec L-GATE which has a lot more functionality.

    A Bacnet Router such as the LIP-ME201C is more comparable to the KMC.
    LIP-ME20X_User_Manual.pdf
    This manual may provide a more even comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grgjohno View Post
    I owuld say that you got a lot of "bang for your buck" at that price!
    Remember, US dollars, not Australian ones...

    I Emailed Loytech and asked for pricing and availability and told them what I was looking for. I will see how it turns out.

    I LOVE that I can get people from all over to throw interesting things my way - There is no best, just more familiar as far as I am concerned.

    I learned that when I spent an enjoyable overnight train ride from the Sevastopol to Moscow with a Georgian carpet salesman. So different, but SO MUCH FUN!!
    Hmmmm....smells like numbatwo to me.

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