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    Split condenser header

    A picture would say it all, but I can't post those yet. A particular customer's rack has two condensers, each split into four sections. Each section has ball valves. They manually valve off some condensers over the winter. One of the valved-off ones blew a nice-sized hole in the liquid header. Both headers have bulged spots. Apparently refrigerant migrated past the ball valves and the condenser got chock full of liquid, which doesn't compress very well when it gets warmer outside. So, condenser quoting time.

    Kind of gives a new meaning to the phrase split condenser.

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    I should add that we didn't set it up, and they do most of their own work. Not sure why they don't have a split condenser valve.

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    Sent the Pics to my email (In my Profile) I have to see this.

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    post em up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HVAC_Marc View Post
    post em up!
    Id love to but I dont have them!

















    In the mean time does this work?
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    Experience - knowing when to get the hell out of the way and plug your ears. "Don't be a sissy. Turn it on!"

    Poodle Head Mikey - "the world is well populated with the unknowing and the uncaring and the stupid."

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    pecmsg has pics.

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    There is a code I believe which makes this illegal. Anything which can contain hydraulic pressure and be valved off must have a relief valve fitted to the can-be-isolated section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disciple View Post
    A picture would say it all, but I can't post those yet. A particular customer's rack has two condensers, each split into four sections. Each section has ball valves. They manually valve off some condensers over the winter. One of the valved-off ones blew a nice-sized hole in the liquid header. Both headers have bulged spots. Apparently refrigerant migrated past the ball valves and the condenser got chock full of liquid, which doesn't compress very well when it gets warmer outside. So, condenser quoting time.

    Kind of gives a new meaning to the phrase split condenser.
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    I've heard of this being a way to control condenser size in cold weather, but I always assumed that the solenoids or ball valves would only be on the condenser inlet, and the outlet would remain open and connected to the system to prevent this sort of failure. Why would they close off both ends of the condenser sections that they wanted to disable?

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    We had one that didn’t have a spit condesor valve manual valves on both the discharge and liquid but had a pump out line to the suction header that was left open. This was old school rack held like 2500# of 502
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    The whole point of splitting the condenser is to minimize the condenser flooding charge requirement and only experience will teach you that ball valves aren't guaranteed for 100% positive shutoff.

    Here's the proper way to pipe the condenser using a 3-way heat reclaim type solenoid valve, check valves and a condenser pumpout bleed line with a capillary tube to regulate liquid flow into the suction header.

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