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    Quote Originally Posted by kontrolphreak View Post
    What about a course to train the specifying engineers not to use CTRL-C and CTRL-V?

    kontrol out
    Let's be honest here now... We would all make our living off tapping on two keys if we could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbeckham View Post
    Let's be honest here now... We would all make our living off tapping on two keys if we could.
    Not I.



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    ITPro.tv discount code 30% off

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    Udemy.com is a good site to learn about networking. I spent 20 bucks and I am watching Mike Myers videos on Networking.

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    If you want to get up to speed on IT security Professor Messers series of videos and cheat sheet got me through CompTIA Security+. It helped me pass when everyone else really, really struggled (none past the first attempt other than me and my boss) and these were all smart guys and gals (some too smart for their own good and didn't take the course/test seriously even though there was already one retest in the group).

    http://www.professormesser.com/

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    “What’s that? Aaa… open protocols? Don’t talk about…. open protocols? Are you kidding me? Open protocols? I just hope we can hardwire an interface!” - Jim Mora Watch it here!

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    itpro.tv has a cyber Monday code for 50% off, valid today only. Brings a year standard membership to $285.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamSpartacus View Post
    Udemy.com is a good site to learn about networking. I spent 20 bucks and I am watching Mike Myers videos on Networking.
    A couple months later how did they work out? Networking videos are one of the areas I'm interested in for our techs.

    They seem to have a much wider coverage than ITpro.tv, I see subjects like PostgreSQL, MySQL, Nginx and ITpro.tv is a little lacking in that department.
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    Normally one of the biggest issues is the proper installation of controls. I'll walk into a mechanical room and be like who designed this or that. Examples are sensor locations, flow switch locations, and wiring, etc... Anyways, another issue is built into a program. For example a lead lag program that starts a pump on run time, but has no provision for when both pumps run times equal the same. You always have to program for worst case situations. I could go on for ever and ever.......
    Law Of The Thermostat: He who has the thermostat wins!!!!!

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    ddc controls like trend, novar dosent seem to be many qualified professionals that have actual unit repair experience and IT,DDC experience.

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    I’ll add; cyber security for BMS applications.

    After recent conversations it’s an area in which I’m trying to improve my knowledge & skills, as previously I’ve had colleagues who dealt with that side & I only really needed to know “what button to press when.”
    Finding knowledge & ‘how to’s’ on the ‘net is one way, however I find it is very time consuming to locate relevant, trustworthy info.
    I know I can spend a lot of money & time doing degrees in it, but I feel that’s not really the efficient route either, as while it is vital these days it remains a secondary, not the primary skill for which I’m employed. Unless I wanted to move specialisation from controls to cyber security I’d be better doing a degree in controls theory or mechatronics, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreezerGeezer View Post
    I’ll add; cyber security for BMS applications.
    I only really needed to know “what button to press when.”
    It not the simple and its never going to be that simple.

    You have to deal with any random customer network.
    Once a PC is on the BMS network, you have all the typical IT security issues to contend with.
    Remote access can come a wide range of methods, simplest being the most awful.

    None of this always in your control and some baseline of knowledge is required IMO.

    You don't need to shell out loads of cash, you don't need a degree. These days there is almost a limitless amount of information out there, just need to decide what your times worth. Everything can be found for free, but your going to have to sort out the gems buried in crap. Some of paid IT course/services out there will save countless hours and spending a few hundred bucks here and there will save months of searching. Might be mainly focused on PCs, but that PC serving up your frontend is likely the source of the breach as well.

    Today the industry bar is very low making it easy to be far ahead most of the competition. Get some baseline knowledge so you can talk to IT. Work with them when the requirements exceed your comfort zone or find a IT company to lean on and pay for it when needed. Learn from them, your miles ahead in short order. Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring security could result in being the next Fazio/target headline on national news.
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    Hi Orion

    I guess I should've been a bit clearer.
    Back in the UK they're more specialised - for example a Mechanical Engineer wouldn't be doing Building Services Engineering.
    Likewise my employer had guys who knew security well, so therefore while I had an appreciation of that side, I failed to gain better knowledge as for what I was doing it wasn't necessary. My bad as it turned out, because here in Oz things are much more generalised & thus you have to be more a Jack of all Trades.

    "None of this always in your control and some baseline of knowledge is required IMO."
    I agree, hence my post. I believe that most tech's like myself, who've come from the HVAC-R side are lacking in the IT knowledge necessary nowadays, and IT security is a major part of that.
    It's kind of like studying Engineering in the UK - the kids that went the academic route mostly can't tell a mill from a lathe, but the ones that took the technical college route have a lower level of maths & physics, for e.g.
    So some universities run a concurrent first year where the academics catch up on the practical, and the tech's catch up on the academic. And that what was I was trying to get at - I think that training should ideally be suited to the student's background - at least up until they can all carry on from a reasonably common knowledge base.

    "Today the industry bar is very low making it easy to be far ahead most of the competition." Yep, and I'd include most IT guys I deal with in that I'm afraid. Hey, not being able to paint the Mona Lisa doesn't mean you can't appreciate it!

    I am trying hard to gain the knowledge, and thank you to you & everyone else who's answered my comments / questions.

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