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    Luckily I came home for lunch to check the progress. The manager accidentally gave the installer a XL803 (8000 series) and they started to install it. I wasn't happy, but a quick hpone call and after lunch the installer returned with the IAQ. It's the first IAQ they've installed, so I think it will help having all the correct settings ready for him.

    I'm starting to think I have one of the most advanced residential HVAC set-ups in my area other than possibly a few Infinity installations... whcih the Trane guys said the HO's aren't happy with. I feel special!

    The installer confirmed the that HP does cycle on the furnace during defrost, but he wasn't sure there was a time delay to initiate defrost for a seamless transition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    That bites.

    We have the newer meters here.
    They just drive close to your house, and download the reading.
    My electric company has communicating meters. They can read my meter from their central office. The best thing about that is they also provide your day by day power usage and estimated daily cost and also the hi and low temps for that day. It makes it great for comparing performances before and after a change and finding comparable days for better results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguy128 View Post
    Luckily I came home for lunch to check the progress. The manager accidentally gave the installer a XL803 (8000 series) and they started to install it. I wasn't happy, but a quick hpone call and after lunch the installer returned with the IAQ. It's the first IAQ they've installed, so I think it will help having all the correct settings ready for him.

    I'm starting to think I have one of the most advanced residential HVAC set-ups in my area other than possibly a few Infinity installations... whcih the Trane guys said the HO's aren't happy with. I feel special!

    The installer confirmed the that HP does cycle on the furnace during defrost, but he wasn't sure there was a time delay to initiate defrost for a seamless transition.
    My IAQ was the first my company had installed, too. needless to say they didn't get it right, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badtlc View Post
    My IAQ was the first my company had installed, too. needless to say they didn't get it right, ever.
    I think mine would have gottne it programmed eventually, but it might have taken some extra research. The Honeywell Installation Guide doesn't give a whole lot of information describing each parameter and what it does. The White Rodgers by comparson has a nice explination on what each setting does.

    Actually, "Beenthere" is the only resource I've seen for clearly explaining the high level functions of the unit.

    I guess Honeywell just assumes that since it's a "professionally installed only" unit, that all installers will automatically know these things. The IAQ is definitely beyond what 98% of DIY'ers can handle.

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    Mayguy is good with them also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Mayguy is good with them also.
    Do you think Honeywell does a poor job providing adequate information or is it assumed that if you sell these units, you need to go to Honeywell sponsored training or set one up in your shop and mess with it to see what it can do?

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    Install and operating manuals are written by people called tech writers.

    Honeywell doesn't seem to have the best sometimes.
    Tech writing is not easy, the writer tries to make clear what notes in front of him say, but they don't always understand what teh notes tell them, themselves.

    I don't think its intentional, just the way they write it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguy128 View Post
    I think mine would have gottne it programmed eventually, but it might have taken some extra research. The Honeywell Installation Guide doesn't give a whole lot of information describing each parameter and what it does. The White Rodgers by comparson has a nice explination on what each setting does.

    Actually, "Beenthere" is the only resource I've seen for clearly explaining the high level functions of the unit.

    I guess Honeywell just assumes that since it's a "professionally installed only" unit, that all installers will automatically know these things. The IAQ is definitely beyond what 98% of DIY'ers can handle.
    My guys had programmed it just fine (except some balance points and lock outs which were personal preference anyway). They screwed up the wiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badtlc View Post
    My guys had programmed it just fine (except some balance points and lock outs which were personal preference anyway). They screwed up the wiring.
    Well...I came home and guess what? Wiring problems!
    I think he might be getting mixed up because W1 on the IAQ is the O/B terminal when using a Heat Pump.

    He says he's having trouble with the defrost board wiring. The IAQ was set to "fossil fuel KIT installed" which is incorrect. Y2 is not connected on the Furnace control board. W1 and W2 are jumpered together.... so the furnace is doing all the staging for tonight. They had the Comfort R mode turned off. The IAQ looks pretty but right now isn't doing anything my previous Honeywell RTH7000 series couldn't do.

    The good news is the ductwork is done and I have heat. The returns are silent and the furnace is silent. The supplys are quite a bit quieter, but i haven't seen full fan speed yet.

    The bad news is no heat pump control yet, no humidifier instlled yet and there's a few installation items I'm not excited about. My air balane is only marginally improved after replacing 2/3'rds of my main trunk. I think the mian supply plenum right off the furnace must still be a little small. I might ask to have dampers installed in 3 of the ducts to better balance everything. Balancing at the register seems a little sloppy. I suspect overall my static pressure is pretty low, but I doubt I'll get a measurement out of them.

    I'm a little disapointed so far. I really thought my air balance would be much better than this.

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    They may not have the blower speed set up right yet either.

    You got a 16i, it doesn't wire up quite like the IAQ directions show.

    Tomorrow, make sure they know you want the IAQ to control the furnace staging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguy128 View Post
    I think mine would have gottne it programmed eventually, but it might have taken some extra research. The Honeywell Installation Guide doesn't give a whole lot of information describing each parameter and what it does. The White Rodgers by comparson has a nice explination on what each setting does.

    Actually, "Beenthere" is the only resource I've seen for clearly explaining the high level functions of the unit.

    I guess Honeywell just assumes that since it's a "professionally installed only" unit, that all installers will automatically know these things. The IAQ is definitely beyond what 98% of DIY'ers can handle.
    I feel for you and you should be congratulated on your efforts--I've been down the road of hand holding the installers, reading the installer's manuals and reading this forum just to get to the end-point of a successful install.

    If it wasn't for some of the more focused/intelligent "DIY'ers", there would be fewer successful installs from the "Pros"--sad state of affairs when you're paying top $'s for equipment and labor.

    It would be interesting to see the maufactuer's step up to the problem of well-meaning/intentioned installers that can't get the current state-of-the-art equipment installed and working correctly the 1st time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    They may not have the blower speed set up right yet either.

    You got a 16i, it doesn't wire up quite like the IAQ directions show.

    Tomorrow, make sure they know you want the IAQ to control the furnace staging.
    I'm going to make it clear that the IAQ control everything. The fan settings are correct... at least the defaults were correct for my set-up. I enabled Comfort R and set the furnace fan speed to "normal" from the default "med-lo".

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post

    You got a 16i, it doesn't wire up quite like the IAQ directions show.
    How does it connect...or rather what's different about it? Why doesn't Honeywell know the correct connection. The service tech said he worked with Honeywell but still couldn't get it.

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