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    Performance based pay

    Are any of you guys on performance based pay and how does it work exactly? Are you making more or less than your previous hourly rate? What do you think about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clintkennon View Post
    Are any of you guys on performance based pay and how does it work exactly? Are you making more or less than your previous hourly rate? What do you think about it?
    A few of us are.....these threads never go well because there are 2 main ways of thought on this subject.

    1) It makes technicians better and more responsible for their work
    2) It breeds crooks

    Personally, I take pride in being honest and good at what I do, so I tend to think more along the lines of #1

    I'm not going to make this into a flame war, but feel free to PM or email me (it's in my profile) for more information. I have been paid full hourly, performance, and full commission in the past few years....I have some thoughts on it...LOL

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    I have worked flat rate, which is pay based on how much work you can complete.

    In order to not become a crook, you have to be firmly grounded in moral beliefs.

    The downside is the time it takes in some flat rate situations to 1) get approvals, and 2) get the parts.

    One big negative is when you are pressured to pad jobs and sell a lot of unnecessary parts, accessories, or other upgrades. The moral beliefs have to start "at the top."
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    Email sent......
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    If you are paid this why,understand they still need to pay overtime for all hours "at work" ,over 40 in the pay week.If not they are going to owe you a lot.

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    In Pa, there is a list of occupations that are exempt from the 40 hour, then OT law. They are the ones where you see flat rate here. I know of no employers who pay any remaining time to make 40, or who pay time and a half to flat rate employees.

    Other states probably differ.
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    I'm on performance pay and I feel like crap when I'm forced to decide between my family eating and ripping off a customer.


    My family has been eating a lot of ramen noodles and frozen pizza lately because I refuse to lie, cheat, and steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    In Pa, there is a list of occupations that are exempt from the 40 hour, then OT law. They are the ones where you see flat rate here. I know of no employers who pay any remaining time to make 40, or who pay time and a half to flat rate employees.

    Other states probably differ.
    It's a Federal Wage and Hour law,states can't make it exempt.Many employers will tell you different and site all kinds of stuff,bottom line is ,overtime applies.

    This has been the subjec at ACCA seminars inthe past few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDJ View Post
    I'm on performance pay and I feel like crap when I'm forced to decide between my family eating and ripping off a customer.


    My family has been eating a lot of ramen noodles and frozen pizza lately because I refuse to lie, cheat, and steal.

    Right........

    Why don't you just get another job, why torment yourself.............

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    The 40 hours would be easier to set on a budget. And you will not likely be forced to live on the dark side

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDJ View Post
    I'm on performance pay and I feel like crap when I'm forced to decide between my family eating and ripping off a customer.


    My family has been eating a lot of ramen noodles and frozen pizza lately because I refuse to lie, cheat, and steal.
    I'm not trying to sound insensitive, but is it really that bad? I don't work for a performance based company and never have, but every company has pressured me to sell coil cleanings, UV lights and upgrades. I don't believe in selling parts that aren't needed but on the other hand its a company not a charity and the customer can always say, no

    And at my house ramen noodles and frozen pizzas are considered the first two food groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roscoe View Post
    Right........

    Why don't you just get another job, why torment yourself.............

    Can't you tell that's what I'm trying to do bro.


    But in the meantime I have to support my family until I do find something else.

    Performance pay isn't for those who have any compassion or a morale compass

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    Quote Originally Posted by clintkennon View Post
    I'm not trying to sound insensitive, but is it really that bad? I don't work for a performance based company and never have, but every company has pressured me to sell coil cleanings, UV lights and upgrades. I don't believe in selling parts that aren't needed but on the other hand its a company not a charity and the customer can always say, no

    And at my house ramen noodles and frozen pizzas are considered the first two food groups.

    Yes it is that bad bro. If I'm not selling I get a page to not come into work while the guy with the "hot hand" gets to work.

    This is a great industry but it's suspect to a lot of manipulation and perversion.


    There is a guy that I hired in with who condemns at least two furnaces per week and sells a bunch of bogus crap but the company loves him.

    I could very well become that guy but then I have to live with myself.

    It's hard to cheat and lie all week and then go to church on Sunday and praise God.

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