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  1. #27
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    I dunno. My shop, is one of the biggest across the state, started only 8 years ago, all 4 founders are pro union.

    Nobody in my shop is choking anyone. All the rant on here about the concepts of Union are blown to he ll in almost every category in my experience working for this company. The most notable one, about being employed on Merit. Performance is the foundation of employment where I work. As a service technician, doing what we do, which is anything commercial refrigeration, that means a whole lot. And no slouch can or will survive, 1 minute past losing the confidence of the boss. Any guy at my shop is there becuase he earned the spot, not because we are union. The UA, is nothing like a UAW.

    I can yell and moan all day about my bosses, but you know the one thing that makes up for a lot of the BS, is that there fair and they embrace the concept of your talent and why it costs them as much as it does via the Union relationship. I went to work for where the most money was to be had. That was union. non union doesn't come close in my area. Since the better talented guys most often want the better money, they seek out the union employment. The union contractors understand that. They know the majority of the real talent is going to also seek out the union because of the compensation.

    I am not saying there is no talent in the non union world. There is plenty. I was one of them at one time. All the more reason I can not understand their anti union beliefs.

    The minute a guy starts talking about our labor costs, in our business, and starts to massage the balance sheet with that in mind, it's all too often that everyone forgets the larger picture of what it takes to produce and nurture a guy to become experienced and skilled. And that price should not be taken lightly. There is enourmous value in our prices today. The average price the industry charges per labor hour is still very low. But should I say to the customer, "hey that's okay, I'll go home with less myself". Heck no. It took me years to be as experienced and as good as I feel I am. It takes me serious effort all the time to become better and better. I aint gonna let someone call it a "labor Cost".

    Were not a friggen idiot on a assembly line punching a press. We are a skilled individual, which takes years to produce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    I dunno. My shop, is one of the biggest across the state, started only 8 years ago, all 4 founders are pro union.
    congratulations on your success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    I dunno. My shop, is one of the biggest across the state, started only 8 years ago, all 4 founders are pro union.

    Nobody in my shop is choking anyone. All the rant on here about the concepts of Union are blown to he ll in almost every category in my experience working for this company. The most notable one, about being employed on Merit. Performance is the foundation of employment where I work. As a service technician, doing what we do, which is anything commercial refrigeration, that means a whole lot. And no slouch can or will survive, 1 minute past losing the confidence of the boss. Any guy at my shop is there becuase he earned the spot, not because we are union. The UA, is nothing like a UAW.

    I can yell and moan all day about my bosses, but you know the one thing that makes up for a lot of the BS, is that there fair and they embrace the concept of your talent and why it costs them as much as it does via the Union relationship. I went to work for where the most money was to be had. That was union. non union doesn't come close in my area. Since the better talented guys most often want the better money, they seek out the union employment. The union contractors understand that. They know the majority of the real talent is going to also seek out the union because of the compensation.

    I am not saying there is no talent in the non union world. There is plenty. I was one of them at one time. All the more reason I can not understand their anti union beliefs.

    The minute a guy starts talking about our labor costs, in our business, and starts to massage the balance sheet with that in mind, it's all too often that everyone forgets the larger picture of what it takes to produce and nurture a guy to become experienced and skilled. And that price should not be taken lightly. There is enourmous value in our prices today. The average price the industry charges per labor hour is still very low. But should I say to the customer, "hey that's okay, I'll go home with less myself". Heck no. It took me years to be as experienced and as good as I feel I am. It takes me serious effort all the time to become better and better. I aint gonna let someone call it a "labor Cost".

    Were not a friggen idiot on a assembly line punching a press. We are a skilled individual, which takes years to produce.
    None of this has anything to do with unions forcing companies that do not want to deal with organized labor to become unionized. You say your companies owners had a choice and chose union. Great. Does that mean that you don't believe other companies have a right to choose how they want to operate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikelcs View Post
    congratulations on your success.
    He works there. He is not an owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    None of this has anything to do with unions forcing companies that do not want to deal with organized labor to become unionized. You say your companies owners had a choice and chose union. Great. Does that mean that you don't believe other companies have a right to choose how they want to operate?
    One thing...Your consistent. In this case consistently wrong.
    By law employees have a right to collective bargaining. A whole lot of workers aren't fairly compensated. Often because they don't have the skills to negotiate. Also there are often unsafe working conditions where they have little recourse. Collective bargaining doesn't always mean screw the company. I know there were times in history where the relationship was confrontational but it doesn't have to be that way.

    Quite simply, your a Union buster at heart. You seem to have no idea that the Unions created the American middle class and raised the bar for every worker yet your willing to be part of the effort for the last 30 years to destroy it.
    You puzzle me. Who speaks for the worker?
    As you have never been a Union member you speak from ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    One thing...Your consistent. In this case consistently wrong.
    By law employees have a right to collective bargaining. A whole lot of workers aren't fairly compensated. Often because they don't have the skills to negotiate. Also there are often unsafe working conditions where they have little recourse. Collective bargaining doesn't always mean screw the company. I know there were times in history where the relationship was confrontational but it doesn't have to be that way.

    Quite simply, your a Union buster at heart. You seem to have no idea that the Unions created the American middle class and raised the bar for every worker yet your willing to be part of the effort for the last 30 years to destroy it.
    You puzzle me. Who speaks for the worker?
    As you have never been a Union member you speak from ignorance.
    Even though you refused to answer my direct question, it appears that you do believe that a union, representing employees, should make company labor policies rather then companies being able to make their own labor policies.

    This is Socialism. This is Peoples Workers Party agenda. Am I a union buster, or do oppose unions forcing themselves on U.S. companies?

    I speak directly from experience. I speak from the experience of one who has been attacked by unions. I don't have to be a mugger to know what one is. I don't have to be a child molester to know what one is. And I don't have to be a Socialist to know what one is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    None of this has anything to do with unions forcing companies that do not want to deal with organized labor to become unionized. You say your companies owners had a choice and chose union. Great. Does that mean that you don't believe other companies have a right to choose how they want to operate?

    Sure it's still a choice. A choice to vote a union in.

    You casted your vote for the election right? You may or may not have gotten the guy you wanted. Now does that mean your forced to deal with the choice which wasn't yours. Yes. You have to deal with it. You can't redo an election, but.

    Say you were an owner of a shop, or a worker and in either case you said "no friggen way". You absolutely have the right to say and do as you wish. You could get another job. You could rename and start your company over. But remember, it was your own employees who had mutiny on you to begin with.

    I think you have good strong points. But I also think their is a bit of close minded in your opinions a lot of the time, and you fail to see the perspective from any ones veiw point but your own. All I am asking is, have a open mind and be more diplomatic.

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    It brings me to a question. Cause I want to be informed. How does this work. Lets say your guys vote a union in. What options legally are there for the owner to mitigate that action? How has it gone down in the past?

    If the majority of techs want the union, I would think the owner is in trouble and doesn't have a sound handle on his crew for some reasons or many. To tick off enough of them to vote one in, something must not be going right to upset them enough to seek this path.

    Money is Money for most techs.

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    But it's not an election in the sense of an election in the United States.

    It is your good buddy telling you how great it is on your break with all your coworkers cheering you to sign the card.

    This act eliminates the secret ballot.

    That is the issue that I have with it.
    Perhaps you should have read the instructions before calling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    Sure it's still a choice. A choice to vote a union in.
    Did you not read what this bill will do? The whole point is that there will no longer be a vote needed. There will also be no secret ballots. Unionizers will know who signed cards and who didn't and so will be able to pressure those who didn't sign. The whole point is that the unions want to take away the right to voting as all Americans have the right to for any election.
    You casted your vote for the election right? You may or may not have gotten the guy you wanted. Now does that mean your forced to deal with the choice which wasn't yours. Yes. You have to deal with it. You can't redo an election, but.
    Are you deft? It is not an election if there is no vote.

    Say you were an owner of a shop, or a worker and in either case you said "no friggen way". You absolutely have the right to say and do as you wish. You could get another job. You could rename and start your company over. But remember, it was your own employees who had mutiny on you to begin with.
    The unions will be given the right to manipulate employees who do not want to be unionized and no employees will be able to "vote" at all, that is the whole point. If unions were so damned good for everyone, why would unions need to eliminate the voting?

    I think you have good strong points. But I also think their is a bit of close minded in your opinions a lot of the time, and you fail to see the perspective from any ones veiw point but your own. All I am asking is, have a open mind and be more diplomatic.
    There is a difference between having an open mind and having a mind like a sieve that cannot understand what taking away rights of American citizens is. My mind is open, but not leaking all over the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrbenny View Post
    But it's not an election in the sense of an election in the United States.

    It is your good buddy telling you how great it is on your break with all your coworkers cheering you to sign the card.

    This act eliminates the secret ballot.

    That is the issue that I have with it.
    Or, a couple of your coworkers who don't like the boss threatening you that if you don't sign, they will make your life miserable. This act will take us back to the days of Tammany Hall for sure.
    Government is a disease...
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    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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    This act will allow too much coersion and pressure to be brought to bear on "swing votes"

    Imagine, a 6'9" tall guy named Bruno leaning on your shoulder and gently whispering, "You REALLY should sign this card, buddy"

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    is that what goes on at break? Oh My.

    Wait a second. When is break again?

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