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  1. #14
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    Not a union member. Really don't kno much about them. What are the benefits (examples). What are the down sides (examples).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    One special interest group???? Are you kidding?
    In DC everyone that ever gets anything is represented.

    It's unfortunate that American workers don't have more.
    Unions are visible in DC but I can't think of any others fighting for workers.
    Even AARP is really an insurance company.

    Robo, you've stated again and again about Union bosses, thugs etc. Corporations are very capable of intimidation, breaking the law, scatter the flock. If the workers want to bargain collectively they should and it should be as ez as possible.
    Tell us how would you fight for workers rights? Wait for them to be gifted to them?
    This thread is about the EFCA. Are you for it? If so, why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavyevans View Post
    I just don't get it.

    Apparently it is OK for contractors to form organizations like ACCA or ABC to look after their interests.

    But it's dangerous if the employees do it.

    They both look like unions to me.
    Organizations such as ACCA and ABC are not formed by contractors. These are trade organizations that represent everyone in the trades, business's and workers alike. Trade organizations have no say so over the way companies operate.

    Unions infiltrate companies and add cost to the operation expenses of companies by using employees as paid supporters.
    Government is a disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavyevans View Post
    I just don't get it.

    Apparently it is OK for contractors to form organizations like ACCA or ABC to look after their interests.

    But it's dangerous if the employees do it.

    They both look like unions to me.
    Organizations such as ACCA and ABC are not formed by contractors. These are trade organizations that represent everyone in the trades, business's and workers alike. Trade organizations have no say so over the way companies operate.

    Unions infiltrate companies and add cost to the operation expenses of companies by using employees as paid supporters.

    Do you have an opinion on whether or not unions should be able to infiltrate companies without a secret ballot vote?
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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    i don't get any of it, except the part about unions paid out 80 some million to obama's campaign.... that doesn't make me happy at all...
    If Guns Kill People, Do Pencils Misspell Words?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachtech View Post
    i don't get any of it, except the part about unions paid out 80 some million to obama's campaign.... that doesn't make me happy at all...
    And that's the only way he got in office.Unions just love him.
    I love the smell of phosgene first thing in the morning:

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    Tell us how would you fight for workers rights? Wait for them to be gifted to them?
    There are a tremendous amount of private shops that take very good care of their employees. Shops that provide training, education, insurance, savings/investment plans, adequate opportunity for advancement, and other perks.
    I know men who have built businesses and offered more to their employees than any union contractor could afford to relinquish. I have seen these shops targeted by locals and the employees bombarded with false promises about what the local would do for them that their employer would never do. I have seen a man stand in front of the company that he spent thirty years building, with tears in his eyes, trying to police each word from his mouth for fear of a lawsuite by the local. I heard what this man said, and I will agree beyond my dying day. "I'll shut it down first"

    If you want fairness in the workplace, there are 2 predominate options.
    1) find one of these men, deserve what you get & get what you deserve
    2) become one of these men
    mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikelcs View Post
    There are a tremendous amount of private shops that take very good care of their employees. Shops that provide training, education, insurance, savings/investment plans, adequate opportunity for advancement, and other perks.
    I know men who have built businesses and offered more to their employees than any union contractor could afford to relinquish. I have seen these shops targeted by locals and the employees bombarded with false promises about what the local would do for them that their employer would never do. I have seen a man stand in front of the company that he spent thirty years building, with tears in his eyes, trying to police each word from his mouth for fear of a lawsuite by the local. I heard what this man said, and I will agree beyond my dying day. "I'll shut it down first"

    If you want fairness in the workplace, there are 2 predominate options.
    1) find one of these men, deserve what you get & get what you deserve
    2) become one of these men
    Exactly. If this bill passes, every company with enough employees to attract the wants of the unions will be forced into organized labor contracts.

    In no time every American company can be in the same position as the American auto makers are, taking our tax money to pay for more union control.
    Government is a disease...
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    non union guys can be proactive and kill them with one man shows
    If Guns Kill People, Do Pencils Misspell Words?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An2a1...eature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachtech View Post
    non union guys can be proactive and kill them with one man shows
    It doesn't work like that beach. If unions gain control of labor overall and feel any threat from one man shows, they will lobby for so much regulation that one man shows will not be able to survive.

    Then again, the United States could not survive a majority organized labor force. We would have to become Socialist in order to function at all, at least for a short while.
    Government is a disease...
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    your overreacting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    your overreacting.
    Really? Please do explain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    your overreacting.
    I know how pro union things are in your neck of the woods. I would not fare well there. Perhaps the tactics are different in different areas. I've seen first hand the hostile nature when the local wants in. I did not start my business so that anyone could tell me how to run it, or who I may or may not employ.
    Consider this; an over-reaction is, at least, a reaction. Perhaps we should sit on our hands and do nothing while legislation pops up around us. Then, as new laws affect us to the point that it chokes the life out of our businesses, we can publically piss and moan for a handout from the very government that wrote the legislation that has choked the life out of our businesses.
    I think that I'll stick to over-reacting, thanks.
    mike

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