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  1. #118
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    Also as controls are cool said you must install visio first then EBT or visiologic won't work
    ckartson
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  2. #119
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    All BCM's can support NAT if you flash up the firmware. VLX can, too.
    Controller must be set up for BACnet IP, appropriate UDP Ports must be forwarded in your router.
    Follow the network setup guide to a T. Or get the local dealer to help you out.

  3. #120
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    Best bang for your buck is is to have an Alerton Dealer replace your Alerton Ibex Global Controllers with Alerton BACtalk BCM-Tux global controllers. They will re-write the software to fit the newer global, they you are BACnet based, and communicate via IP.
    Doing this method lets you keep all the existing Ibex controllers you have in the field, saving you big $$ over a complete change-out. Ibex controllers are very robust, and will likely outlive you.
    You will need to update your server to Envision for BACtalk to use the newer global controllers.
    You don't have to do the entire district at once - both front ends will cohabitate nicely with each other on a PC, or you can have them on separate PC's. Or you can cut a deal with your dealer - They give you a price break, you contract them to do the whole district, one school at a time on their schedule, over the course of a few school years (wintertime is a good time to get best rates from DDC Contractors, it's their slowest period)
    Some dealers give you a price break if you have a service agreement with them - it may be worthwhile to pickup a service agreement for 3 years to get the price break, then use a lot of the service hours to train you on their hardware. Good Luck!

  4. #121
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    Just started working in a building using Alerton control for 9 Aaon rooftops. Install was in 1997 and the monitor and display look it. CPU is antique beyond believability and no one in he building crew knows anything more than how to change setpoints and clear alarms. I fear eve touching it as it could die from fright. There is no documentation for me to even learn the system. I certainly could use a crash course before the facility goes down, and it is 24/7/365 to boot.

    Any helpful techs out there?

  5. #122
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Madera View Post
    Just started working in a building using Alerton control for 9 Aaon rooftops. Install was in 1997 and the monitor and display look it. CPU is antique beyond believability and no one in he building crew knows anything more than how to change setpoints and clear alarms. I fear eve touching it as it could die from fright. There is no documentation for me to even learn the system. I certainly could use a crash course before the facility goes down, and it is 24/7/365 to boot.

    Any helpful techs out there?
    Installed in 1997 - Unless there have been upgrades, it is an Ibex control system, with some revision of Ibex for Windows as the user interface on the PC. That system is actually quite robust. ENSURE YOU HAVE A BACKUP OF THE PC. If you have a current backup and the PC dies, you can restore it on another PC (will likely require some help from the dealer) in a matter of hours. Systems of this vintage do not require the PC to run the building, so the building will carry on smartly without the PC, you will just be blind to it. Be aware that the license for your software ( no longer available ) is a plug in dongle on the back of the machine. Probably plugged into the parallel port. DO NOT LOSE THIS as Ebay or a dealer installed upgrade is the only fix if you lose that key.
    I would suggest that you attend factory training, but I think the system is actually too old - they don't offer it anymore. It might be advantageous to have the dealer send a HIGHLY QUALIFIED SENIOR GUY (don't let them send just any tech, amke 'erm send someone that has installed Ibex systems, and still works with them regularly.) to give your entire crew a refresher training on how to run the system.

    Good Luck!

  6. #123
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    Yup, it is Ibex. Software version is Jan/2000

    Thanks for the information. I was fearful that if the winbox died that all the systems would go idle... or worse. Now I feel better about backing it up or even cloning it on a newer cpu. It is running on win95, will it run on any newer winsoft?

    Thanks!
    j

  7. #124
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    Juan,

    Climatec is the Alerton rep in Southern Nevada out of Las Vegas. They took over from the previous rep (Long & Associates which acquired the initial Alerton rep in NV) and might be able to help.

    http://www.climatec.com/contact/locations/Nevada

    kontrol out
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    "Can't we all just get a Lon?" - Garry Jack
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  8. #125
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    Hi Guys, I was wondering if anyone knows where to purchase old Alerton legacy products, basically the IBEX controllers. I have a building with three Carrier rooftops, with 30-zones. Apparently the main controller has died and now the controls vendor is telling me the IBEX controllers are no longer available. I may have to get the main controller model, and I can post, but I thought I would check to see if there is a known source. Thx

  9. #126
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    2ski;

    Thought the world fell apart on me a week back. Had a wind, rain and lightning event and while I was in one of the controlled areas, I smelled and felt the heat go on. Mind you, we were having 100F plus days at the time. Went to the office and saw that all 9 TUX were reporting NX.... Rebooted computer and Ibex. No avail. Rebooted all 9 TUX and started getting most of them polling again. Had one TUX that would not function properly. It wanted 4 stages of heat! Another unit, although it would work it reported 134F return air...

    Had to replace the two TUX with new controller, so I am a bit more skeptical of the robust theory. I did have a chance to meet with a young IBEX guru who found a manual for me and was much more informative than his salesman boss who came out earlier prior to the panic. Great learning experience for me.

  10. #127
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcampion View Post
    Hi Guys, I was wondering if anyone knows where to purchase old Alerton legacy products, basically the IBEX controllers. I have a building with three Carrier rooftops, with 30-zones. Apparently the main controller has died and now the controls vendor is telling me the IBEX controllers are no longer available. I may have to get the main controller model, and I can post, but I thought I would check to see if there is a known source. Thx
    eBay

    kontrol out
    "Open is as open does." - Forrest Gump
    "Can't we all just get a Lon?" - Garry Jack
    "BACnet: integration or interrogation?" - The Janitor
    "Open protocols? You can't handle open protocols!" - Nathan R. Jessup
    “What’s that? Aaa… open protocols? Don’t talk about…. open protocols? Are you kidding me? Open protocols? I just hope we can hardwire an interface!” - Jim Mora http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE

  11. #128
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    ph33r do you work for Cohesive Automation in Dallas?

    I have DDC that is generic sent out to all my AHU's. Once I edit that DDC file can I send it to all my AHU's VLC devices or do I have to send it to each device individually?

  12. #129
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    Is there any available EBT device template for XL Web controller? I coundn't find a suitable template other than those standard templates for alerton controllers only. Or how can I map in the EBT graphics the i/o's from XL WEB (LON I/O modules)?

  13. #130
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    Here's a question for you (I think it's actually a bug in the version of EBT we have - 2.6). The Alarm History is stored immediately in the BacTalk.mdb database file. It is also archived out to individual archive files daily. Here's the problem I'm seeing. When an alarm comes in on, say, day 1, it gets an entry in the BacTalk file. If the alarm is acknowledged or clears, the entry is modified to add the ack_time and/or end_time dates. This is fine. however, if an alarm exists during the archive event, the entry is not updated (the original entry gets sent out to the daily archive file, and when the alarm later clears, the BacTalk database has no entry for it to update, so it just does nothing). This causes a gap in the histories. If any alarm lasts past midnight, it will never have an entry saying WHEN it cleared.

    So, on to my actual question: Is this something that is fixed in a subsequent version? As i mentioned, we are currently running version 2.6, and this bug is actually affecting us pretty badly right now. We are trying to build some level of alarm management on top of EBT (which really has none built-in), but this missing information causes problems.

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