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    Quote Originally Posted by Lash View Post
    If you hate it so much then whats stoping you from working non-union???
    Yes Mr. Smith, your level of experience looks good, and the time under your belt meets the requirements for our employ in this private shop. Now we have only one last question: Have you ever belonged to a labor union?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post

    3. Last, but not least, there is the little matter of a contract I signed with the union. Basically, this contract states that they provided me an education and now I have to work union. Otherwise, they can and will sue me for the cost of my education. Since I don't have $15k laying around, I'll stick with the union.
    How long have you been out of the apprenticeship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikelcs View Post
    Yes Mr. Smith, your level of experience looks good, and the time under your belt meets the requirements for our employ in this private shop. Now we have only one last question: Have you ever belonged to a labor union?
    Maybe in Texas.
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    5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    5 years.
    Then you don't owe the whole $15k....lol. Look in your contract.
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    It's funny how everybody gets so fired up about all of this. Where I live there are plenty of good union and non-union techs. Believe it or not some of the non-union guys make more than the union guys. They also sometimes get better benefits. That's not a rule, but it happens. I always say that I work for my customer. Have integrity, first! Give your customer what they are paying for.

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    I chose SMW and am very happy I got in.

    For me it was a no-brainer. I have a family.

    I could've worked non-union residential starting out at like $8-10/hr. but my family means more to me than that.

    I am a commercial/industrial service apprentice and have been doing it for only 6 months and already make over $15/hr plus bennies.

    Journeyman scale at my local is $30.35/hr plus bennies. The techs at the company I work for make $80,000/yr or more.

    I know money isn't everything but right now it's hard to find this type of opportunity in this economy.

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    so if you apprentice through the UA, you actually sign a contract tying you to the UA if you chose to leave? That is interesting. I never knew that.

    I am a white ticket, so I never went through any of that. Boy I tell you, that's a pretty sticky decision I'd have to make if they ever asked me to sign something like that.

    I don't believe in signing any sort of agreement about my employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    so if you apprentice through the UA, you actually sign a contract tying you to the UA if you chose to leave? That is interesting. I never knew that.

    I am a white ticket, so I never went through any of that. Boy I tell you, that's a pretty sticky decision I'd have to make if they ever asked me to sign something like that.

    I don't believe in signing any sort of agreement about my employment.
    scholarship loan agreement.....to offset the cost of your apprentice schooling....it disapears a little each year and after 5 years ? its gone, and its only payable if you leave the union, its only fair the training costs alot of dough and they want to make sure you stay

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    Sorry, it has been 10 years since signing the agreement. The details are a little fuzzy.

    I was 22-23 at the time and had basically been told that the union was the be all, end all as far as employment was concerned.

    Signing the contract was not optional and I really didn't have time to ponder it. A big pile of papers were dropped in front of all of us and we went though, page by page, line by line and signed all of them.

    As I said, I am not entirely opposed to labor unions, just trying to present a different viewpoint.

    I feel that the unions encourage a group mentality and discourage competition between members. The idea that we all are the same. Welders are welders, service guys are service guys, etc.

    If you have been in the field long enough, you know that is untrue. There are great techs, good techs, and warm bodies to put on a call until you can get someone there to fix it.

    I also feel that unions encourage a distance between the contractor and the employee.

    There is also a socialist mentality that is brewing just under the surface of all labor unions, and I find that un-American. Personal opinion.

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    I see that in the fitters here. We are NOT fitters. Plenty of testosterone and competition floating around in service.
    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    I feel that the unions encourage a group mentality and discourage competition between members. The idea that we all are the same. Welders are welders, service guys are service guys, etc.
    Your poor planning does not constitute an emergency on my part!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    so if you apprentice through the UA, you actually sign a contract tying you to the UA if you chose to leave? That is interesting. I never knew that.

    I am a white ticket, so I never went through any of that. Boy I tell you, that's a pretty sticky decision I'd have to make if they ever asked me to sign something like that.
    I feel like you, Dowadudda. I hate the idea of signing a contract, especially when I am at the beginning, where I have many, many options. The 'base' pay-scale thing also sounds like a turn off. I am obviously not one of the best at this point, but I can guaruntee I won't be one of the worst...

    I think I'm just going to look for a good non-union job to build a couple years of experience through, and then in the future if it seems like the best option, go after one of those pretty white tickets.

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    As far as the base pay scale, apprentices get raises every 6 months. Those raises amount to an additional 5% of journeyman rate. It does add up quickly.

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