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  1. #53
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    While on the topic of the unions, I'd like to throw a few more pennies out for thought, here.

    Education. How can the union claim to have the best education when they never covered basic refrigeration? Charging charts and other charging methods? Manuals D and J?

    I'd never even heard of Manuals D or J until I came here. Still haven't seen either.

    Propaganda. I understand the whole "Do it right the first time" thing, but we just lost an apprentice who thought that he was gods little gift to us. He had about 6 years in, total, was in his 4th year. He thought that every non-union service guy was an idiot, no matter how good he was. He didn't have a card, so he was dumb.

    If we're going to say that we're the best, then we need to PROVE it, then say it, not the other way around.

  2. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by HVAC_Grad View Post
    I feel like you, Dowadudda. I hate the idea of signing a contract, especially when I am at the beginning, where I have many, many options. The 'base' pay-scale thing also sounds like a turn off. I am obviously not one of the best at this point, but I can guaruntee I won't be one of the worst...

    I think I'm just going to look for a good non-union job to build a couple years of experience through, and then in the future if it seems like the best option, go after one of those pretty white tickets.
    Really.....I wouldn't take any advise from people on the internet who don't even live anywhere near me. The best thing for you do is to talk to people in your area.....both union and non-union. Each state, country, town, local, whatever is different. You need to get all of the FACTS and weight out the pros and cons for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    While on the topic of the unions, I'd like to throw a few more pennies out for thought, here.

    Education. How can the union claim to have the best education when they never covered basic refrigeration? Charging charts and other charging methods? Manuals D and J?

    I'd never even heard of Manuals D or J until I came here. Still haven't seen either.

    Propaganda. I understand the whole "Do it right the first time" thing, but we just lost an apprentice who thought that he was gods little gift to us. He had about 6 years in, total, was in his 4th year. He thought that every non-union service guy was an idiot, no matter how good he was. He didn't have a card, so he was dumb.

    If we're going to say that we're the best, then we need to PROVE it, then say it, not the other way around.

    Maybe that's something you need to take up with your local. Not every one is run the same as yours. We, for one, have a GREAT school system in place. Apprentices are graduating with more and more skill....which is actually quite scary for me...lol. We have a lot of smart, motivated, young people in the area.


    Honestly, when was the last time you actually went to a union meeting (besides going to vote on your contractual raise)????
    I'm guessing it's been a pretty long time, therefore you lose most of your rights to b**** IMO. If you want to make a change, this is not the place to complain to make things better.
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    Sheet Metal construction workers and supermarket refrigeration service techncians are 2 entirely different animals. No one could draw any comparisons about how our eyes see things different.

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    What is the difference with working in a right to work state for a company who has some unionized techs yet you are not union?

  6. #58
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    I would agree that you definitely need to talk to people locally to find out what the pros and cons of each option are. My advice would be to check contractors and find one you would like to work for, then figure out how you can get a job there. I would generally advise against the residential market. I worked in residential for a few years before going into commercial/industrial service. The salary cap is much higher in the commercial field, union or not. Also, the work is much steadier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post

    Education. How can the union claim to have the best education when they never covered basic refrigeration? Charging charts and other charging methods? Manuals D and J?
    Those bases were covered in my neck of the woods.

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    Too many assumptions were made during my apprenticeship.

    I believe that argues for a standardized curriculum, but that is a topic for another discussion.

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    [QUOTE=absrbrtek;2068937]
    Guess what, no one will recognize your certificate. Oh, except the recruiter that sold you on the trade school. Bet they promised you the world.

    HVAC Grad dont let anyone tell you that you have wasted your time in trade school.The union may not give you credit towards your apprenticeship but it sure is not a waste of time. If you took it serious (since you are paying for it yourself I assume you applied yourself) then you will see how beneficial it was in a few years. Dont know the school you went to and Im sure there are bad schools out there but I went to school in 83' after being in the trade as an installer for three years. 7 hours a day for 10 months. One of the best things I ever did. If Im going thru resumes for a new hire you can bet the one with trade school is not only going to be recognized but will be hard to beat.
    You will be fine. You have the initiative to go to school and come on hear and ask the right questions. Ive worked Union and non Union. Most important thing is the shop you work for. Is there people there that will give you good training? What area do you want to work in? Residential, commercial, Industrial. Do you want to be on call for emergency service, nites and weekends. Commercial and residential is fine to start out in but has its limits. Dont make the mistake of just taking the first job and then getting comfortable and staying there for 15 years. There are lots of opportunities in the industries in and out of the field. Meet lots of people, go to trade shows, seminars, etc. Good Luck.

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    Yeah school will be a great plus.

    The Business Agent at my local went through the same 2 year HVAC college program as me. I know for a fact that this alone put me toward the top of the list.

    I also know that I was top 3 after interviewing and testing.

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    temco has it right

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