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  1. #27
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    If it has already been listed, why isn't it a 'sticky' in this forum or can someone direct me to where I can find it?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fly2High View Post
    Why leave it to someone else?
    perhaps udarrel is not as familiar with the Riello burner as he believes he would need to be to answer your question. And is letting it up to someone else so he doesn't mislead you.
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  3. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fly2High View Post
    Why leave it to someone else?

    Are we afraid to post the correct way such that another may be caught doing it the wrong way and cause a little extra work to a collegue?

    The right way is just the right way. There is no opinion when it comes to this and if someone is asked to do the right job, shouldn't they do it properly?

    After all, this site is not allowed for DIYers so the only reason I see is for either diagnostics, which we all know really cannot be done via postings. It needs to be done on site. the other, is so the homeowner , in this forum, knows what is the right and wrong way to maintain a furnace, get help, and to know what to ask for and to not be ripped off.

    Maybe I am wrong.....

    I cannot see the harm in posting the answer.....
    You are right; you are also a very intelligent person.

    While I have studied & researched OIL heating & now see a lot that ought to have been done that never was done; I had no oil furnaces to service where I was a contractor & Tech, it was all natural gas.

    That is why I prefer to defer to those who have been doing oil heating for a long time on Riello burners.

    I am not familiar with the Riello burner's fuel pump; but the Beckett usually has the Suntec A2VA-7116 oil fuel pump has a pump inlet-strainer that needs to be checked & cleaned or replaced around every 5 years or so.

    At a pressure of 100-psi the strainer & pump are rated at 4-GPH capacity; since most residential furnaces won't require a nozzle of more than .90-GPH, many will meet demand with .50 or .60-GPH nozzles; the strainer has to be pretty well plugged to lower fuel delivery to that low a demand nozzle.

    Then there is over-fire draft to be checked, etc.
    Got to go now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fly2High View Post
    Why leave it to someone else?

    Are we afraid to post the correct way such that another may be caught doing it the wrong way and cause a little extra work to a collegue?

    The right way is just the right way. There is no opinion when it comes to this and if someone is asked to do the right job, shouldn't they do it properly?

    Afterall, this site is not allowed for DIYers so the only reason I see is for either diagnostics, which we all know really cannot be done via postings. It needs to be done on site. the other, is so the homeowner , in this forum, knows what is the right and wrong way to maintain a furnace, get help, and to know what to ask for and to not be ripped off.

    Maybe I am wrong.....

    I cannot see the harm in posting the answer.....
    It all depends on the effort it takes to type.
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  5. #31
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    udarrwel,
    thanks for the honesty and the info. you have been super informative and trust me, the knowledge you have imparted is well appreciated.

    DD,
    I can completely understand hard work. Family has been involved with landscaping and sprinkler installation so that is what I grew up with. Long hours and hard work. Nothing beats the feeling of seeing a well manicured lawn that looks like a lazer cut it and to spend a day running pipe in ground that hasn't seen water in months in high humidity and sun and seeing water come out of the ground. Major sense of accomplishment is felt.

    I respect your comments and am sorry to all the pros if I came off a little strong. Possibly a little too anal retentive as well. When I do not know something , I like to learn as much as possible and learn the right way to do something.

    I grew up with people that had the knowledge to maintain a home. Nowadays it seems like status quote to pay someone and let them do as they please. Maybe I am not so trusting or having an ouce of knowledge have already caught too many trying to take advantage of me. I am not speaking of this industry but many others too. It is unfortunate that it has become very hard to find someone who takes pride in their work adn is willing to go the extra mile to do the right job. All I want to know is enough to be able to find that guy and hold onto him. HVAC has been WAAAY to complex for the homeowner to do and needs a pro. Unfortunately there are those who would rather do 100 job wrong in a day than do 10 jobs right. My family has a very large business strickly by word of mouth and even in their retirement years are having customers begging for them to continue. That is the kind of guy I want as my oil serviceman. Knowledge is important but honesty is even more. If they do not know something, then be honest but be smart enough to know to go get the information instead of doing a lesser job. Morality, ethics and pride in ones work will rarely make one rich but it will bring loyal customers.

    All I know is that the more we, customers that is, know, the more we will look for quality technicians to do our work and they will prosper. those that won't will either need to improve or die out. I am more than willing to pay for quality if they are going to do a full and proper job. then, I will stand by them too and recommend them to all I know.

    Thanks again guys for the details. I am sure there is more to come and I want you to know that it is well appreciated.

    The guys here who help us learn are the kind of guys I am sure other customers like me will support.

    Thanks

    Frank

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    Frank, your comments hit the bulls-eye, we need better informed HVAC consumers &, also need to raise the level of HVAC contractor performance.

    I've worked HVAC/R since the before the mid-1970's & have followed large long-time company's - so-called - techs that couldn't seem to do much right.

    A large share of my service work was getting calls where I had to clean up their sloppy job mistakes; that were very costly to their client-customers; but that should never have happened.

    We must raise the median standard of performance to an acceptable "Best Practices" level; - that will take a giant reeducation mission by our industry.

    I consider you a friend of this industry & of all contractors, techs, & consumers; you tell it like it needs to be said... thanks again, my friend.

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    This is the Ask Our Pro's forum, and only Pro members that have been vetted by the AOPC may post advise, commentary, or ask questions of the OP here. Please apply to the AOPC today, thank you.

    You can find the rules for posting and qualifications here.

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    yeah, in landscaping we call them grass cutters or landscapers. Guess which ones do the better job? Unfortunately, they all call themselves qualified landscapers.

    Not looking to take anyone's job away. only looking at a means to qualify a proper job is being done for a tune up and cleaning of a oil fired furnace.

    thanks

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    suzook, this is the Ask Our Pro's forum, and only Pro members that have been vetted by the AOPC may post advise, commentary or ask questions of the OP here. Please apply to the AOPC today, thank you.

    You can find the rules for posting and qualifications here.

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    Slomins did come and tune up my burner. They pulled out the burner, after having never been removed in 4 years, to clean out the inner chamber and the only thing we found was a pile that would amount to 1 cigarette being burned up. The chamber was clean. It took only a few minutes to pull it out. Pump screen was clean (for some reason the original furnace had two filters inline and they left it that way when installing the new one), on one test, CO2 I guess, we scored a 11. Based on this chart (http://inspectapedia.com/heat/Audel_...de116-DJFs.jpg), I am about 85.5% efficiency as a guesstimate. smoke was good and stack temp was 375 deg. F (room temp was 52 deg.). First filter was somewhat dirty but the second inline was clean. We did not calculate the efficiency. All in all, he said it was running great. Nothing to worry about. I thanked him for going the extra mile and gave him a tip for being so thorough and giving me all the details I was looking for. I only wish the first guy was so willing. The second gave me the impression he knew more as well or at least cared more and in the end I was happy.

    Thank you everyone. I am again a happy thermopride owner.

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