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    Question Bryant vs. American Standard

    I am trying to decide between two systems and could use some opinions

    1) American Standard 60,000 BTU 95% efficient two stage variable speed gas furnace (Model AUH2b060aP9v3va) with a 2.5 ton Allegiance 14 AC unit (Model 4A7A4030B1)

    2) Bryant System: 2-Stage Variable Speed Furnace with 14 SEER A/C
    Furnace: 2-Stage, Variable Speed Evolution Gas Furnace (355BAV042060)
    Condenser: 14 SEER Legacy Air Conditioner (123ANA030)
    Indoor Coil: Bryant R-410A (Puron)
    Thermostat: Bryant Evolution Control
    Warranty: 10 Year Parts Warranty
    High Efficiency 4 Media Filter system (no charge)

    Which looks like the better choice for a 1700 square foot townhouse in Northeast US? Thanks

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    Honestly, either would be very nice. Go with the "better" contractor / install.

    If they are offered by the same contractor, I am partial to Trane/AS, but Bryant/Carrier gets just as much good feedback in here...

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    Look at all the numbers. Does the A-S get 14 SEER? We just put in a 3 ton with 80K furnace and couldn't get 14.00 for a local rebate. What control for the A-S? The closest they have to communciating like the Evolution won't work for your chosen models. Further down the line would be a 900 series aka Vision Pro IAQ. A-S dealer including a media air cleaner?

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    sorry - I'm not sure I'm understanding all of your questions.
    I believe the Allegiance is a 14 Seer. I'm not sure which t-stat the contractor is calling for with this system. I have to go back and ask.

    Are you saying that the Evolution set-up is superior to the A-S set-up as far as the thermostat is concerned? The A-S contractor is offering an Aprilaire Media Filter 4400 for an additional fee.

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    Chose the contractor first..........

    Bryant...Evolution........no brain er................I'm a Bryant dealer.........does it show........

    .go to their sites and compare equipment, but selecting the right contractor is the key, equipment selection would be secondary........just ask any of us..............

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    keep in mind 95% efficiency units require different piping

    80% efficiency units utilize existing 4" flue pipe -- 95% efficiency condensing units require 2 pipes for venting & combustion.

    The payback period is NOT cost-effective as a replacement in the souteast -- I just installed a 80% 2 stage with a 14 seer AC in north Florida -- the payback period for the 95% unit was 30 years.

    95% efficiency replacement units are usually only cost-effective in new installations.


    Bryant is on my chit list after their crappy evaporator coil incidents -- I'd go with the Am Std -- I like its spine-fin coil that is more friendly to our coastal salt environments (although i've had warranty compressor incidents with Trane/Am Std as well).

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    Bryant vs. American Standard

    thank you for the response - my application is actually outside of Philadelphia where it is much colder and very little salt air.

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    If the Bryant is a 80% then your better choice is the 95%.

    edit: Depending on winter temps I guess.. not sure how cold it gets in Philly
    Here in Chicago it`s a no brainer
    Sorry - yesterday was the deadline for all complaints.

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    His Bryant quote is an Evolution 2 stage 95% model.

    Looks like either brand of A/C rates at 14.00 SEER with matching coil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchell417 View Post
    thank you for the response - my application is actually outside of Philadelphia where it is much colder and very little salt air.
    Bryant Factory Authorized Dealer or Trane Comfort Specialist

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    i'd worry about cost difference & piping

    I'd be worried about the piping -- the higher efficiency condensing units require special condensate & piping requirements.

    to fiqure out your simple payback between investments:

    1) find out how many therms you use per year for your current "therm usage per year".

    2) compare how much energy usage you'll use with a 95% furnace -- (therm usage per year X .80) / .95 -- this will give you how many therms the 95% furnace will use compared to a 80% one. For example, if you currently have a 80% furnace that uses 1000 therms per year, the 95% furnace will use (1000 X .80) / .95 = 842 therms per year

    3) subtract the 95% furnace yearly usage from 80% furnace -- 1000 - 842 = 158 therms per year.

    4) multiply 158 therms per year by your cost per therm (we oay $1.56 per therm in Florida) to get your "annual savings." in our example, 158 therms X $1.56 per therm = $246 savings per year

    5) divide your cost difference between the 80% & 95% furnaces by your yearly savings -- so if it costs $2000 more to install a 95% furnace, your payback will be 8.1 years ($2000 / $246).


    I'd give you some more sophisticated payback analysis, but I wanted to give an example to the Neanderthals on this site to help them communicate more intelligently to their customers.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchell417 View Post
    thank you for the response - my application is actually outside of Philadelphia where it is much colder and very little salt air.

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    Go Bryant!

    Bryant rocks!! You have the ultimate control over your system with the evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emcoasthvacr View Post
    I'd be worried about the piping -- the higher efficiency condensing units require special condensate & piping requirements.

    to fiqure out your simple payback between investments:

    1) find out how many therms you use per year for your current "therm usage per year".

    2) compare how much energy usage you'll use with a 95% furnace -- (therm usage per year X .80) / .95 -- this will give you how many therms the 95% furnace will use compared to a 80% one. For example, if you currently have a 80% furnace that uses 1000 therms per year, the 95% furnace will use (1000 X .80) / .95 = 842 therms per year

    3) subtract the 95% furnace yearly usage from 80% furnace -- 1000 - 842 = 158 therms per year.

    4) multiply 158 therms per year by your cost per therm (we oay $1.56 per therm in Florida) to get your "annual savings." in our example, 158 therms X $1.56 per therm = $246 savings per year

    5) divide your cost difference between the 80% & 95% furnaces by your yearly savings -- so if it costs $2000 more to install a 95% furnace, your payback will be 8.1 years ($2000 / $246).


    I'd give you some more sophisticated payback analysis, but I wanted to give an example to the Neanderthals on this site to help them communicate more intelligently to their customers.
    Both of the furnaces in question are condensing, high efficiency units. Are you suggesting he get a standard efficiency unit in Philly?

    There are also other things to consider - the pvc runs may be far cheaper than possible chimney repair, etc. But that is speculative - the OP asked about 2 comparable set-ups, just two different manufacturer's.

    And your Neanderthal comment is one off the most ignorant things I've read in here. Not the most, mind you, but close.

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